Off Topic Nt Users

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Thanks for all the help all. I bit the bullet added another name and went
around and did all the permissions manually to get around the problem. Chalk
it up as another Microsoft but I guess.

Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...
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Hello all,

I�m having a problem that doesn�t make any sense. I have renamed an account
on the server and supplied a new password and made the account active. On
the NT workstation that I try to access the server with I have created the
Renamed the account and assigned the same password. I can access the server
where Everyone has permissions, but I can�t get to the files that have the
individual permissions. I have checked the security permissions and the user
is shown with Full Access privileges. Yet I can�t enter the file. Has anyone
seen this problem before.


Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...



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the permissions are still referencing the old account name... have you tried
replacing the permissions?


E. Lee Ingalls III
Information Systems Manager
Commercial Tool & Die, Inc.
ph: 616.785.8100 x.21
fx: 616.785.8210
www.commercialtool.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Tolliver [mailto:e.tolliver@...]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:37 AM
To: Vantage@Egroups. Com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic Nt Users

Hello all,

I'm having a problem that doesn't make any sense. I have renamed an account
on the server and supplied a new password and made the account active. On
the NT workstation that I try to access the server with I have created the
Renamed the account and assigned the same password. I can access the server
where Everyone has permissions, but I can't get to the files that have the
individual permissions. I have checked the security permissions and the user
is shown with Full Access privileges. Yet I can't enter the file. Has anyone
seen this problem before.


Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...



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Eric,
I'm not sure why you want/need to have the account on the workstation, but
if you are logging in to the local account and then trying to access
resources on the server that have permissions for the domain account then
that will not work because the network sees them as two separate accounts.
The only account we have on our workstations is the Administrator account
(for emergencies where we can't logon to the network). Otherwise, all
accounts are domain objects and there is little or no confusion about which
account is being used.
Hopefully I haven't misread your message. Hope this helps.
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.


-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Tolliver [mailto:e.tolliver@...]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:37 AM
To: Vantage@Egroups. Com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic Nt Users


Hello all,

IÂ’m having a problem that doesnÂ’t make any sense. I have renamed an account
on the server and supplied a new password and made the account active. On
the NT workstation that I try to access the server with I have created the
Renamed the account and assigned the same password. I can access the server
where Everyone has permissions, but I canÂ’t get to the files that have the
individual permissions. I have checked the security permissions and the user
is shown with Full Access privileges. Yet I canÂ’t enter the file. Has anyone
seen this problem before.


Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...



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Yes, I even removed the name and reapplied it.

Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Lee Ingalls [mailto:eli3@...]

the permissions are still referencing the old account name... have you tried
replacing the permissions?


E. Lee Ingalls III
Information Systems Manager
Commercial Tool & Die, Inc.
ph: 616.785.8100 x.21
fx: 616.785.8210
www.commercialtool.com
6
Hello Eric,
I am familiar with this problem, drove me WILD for weeks before I figured it
out.
Here's how to fix it.
1. log of and restart the machine.
2. When the machine boots up, DO NOT log into the network. You should have
a domain logon option with a drop down list on the login window. On that
list should be the WORKSTATION name.
3. When you log into the WORKSTATION, (not the network) log in with an
account with ADMINISTRATOR privileges. This may be tough if you didnt set
this machine up. THEN go to the ADMINISTRATIVE tools for the workstation
and setup priviledges for accessing the workstation itself. NT is ACTUALLY
giving HIGHER HIERARCHY TO THE WORKSTATION ADMINISTRATIVE TOOLS, the network
comes second. Good Luck

Shirley H. Graver
Systems Administrator
Rubber Associates Inc. (Certified to QS9000/ISO9002)
Cleveland/Akron, Ohio
7
Steve,

We are running an Member Server so The name and password on the server need
to match the name and password on the users system.

Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sanders [mailto:ssanders@...]
I'm not sure why you want/need to have the account on the workstation, but
if you are logging in to the local account and then trying to access
resources on the server that have permissions for the domain account then
that will not work because the network sees them as two separate accounts.
The only account we have on our workstations is the Administrator account
(for emergencies where we can't logon to the network). Otherwise, all
accounts are domain objects and there is little or no confusion about which
account is being used.
Hopefully I haven't misread your message. Hope this helps.
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.
8
Eric,
I had this problem once and that was due to me having the password on the
remote machine in all caps, and the password on the server was all
lowercase. If you think you may be as absent minded as myself you may want
to check that out. Sometimes it is the simple things we overlook.


Jeff Blair



C.N.C. Programmer
Network Administrator

Advanced Manufacturing Technologies, Inc.
316-943-0251
316-941-9472 fax
Visit our website at: www.advmantec.com
9
Eric,
I still don't understand why you need to have the local account....
If the user logs on to the domain account then you shouldn't have any
problems with the files on the server.

The server doesn't look at the username when figuring out whether to allow
access to files; its looking at the SID (security ID - a unique number
assigned to the user account). Since the local account is separate from the
domain account, they both have different SIDs even though they have the same
username.

Try logging in at the workstation by pointing to the domain rather than the
workstation account and see if you can access the files.
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Tolliver [mailto:e.tolliver@...]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 10:38 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Off Topic Nt Users


Steve,

We are running an Member Server so The name and password on the server
need
to match the name and password on the users system.

Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sanders [mailto:ssanders@...]
I'm not sure why you want/need to have the account on the workstation, but
if you are logging in to the local account and then trying to access
resources on the server that have permissions for the domain account then
that will not work because the network sees them as two separate accounts.
The only account we have on our workstations is the Administrator account
(for emergencies where we can't logon to the network). Otherwise, all
accounts are domain objects and there is little or no confusion about
which
account is being used.
Hopefully I haven't misread your message. Hope this helps.
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.




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Steve,

Since it's a member server there is no domain tied to the server. So I do
not get the benefits of a full blown server. Unfortunately.

Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...

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From: Steve Sanders [mailto:ssanders@...]

Eric,
I still don't understand why you need to have the local account....
If the user logs on to the domain account then you shouldn't have any
problems with the files on the server.

The server doesn't look at the username when figuring out whether to allow
access to files; its looking at the SID (security ID - a unique number
assigned to the user account). Since the local account is separate from the
domain account, they both have different SIDs even though they have the same
username.

Try logging in at the workstation by pointing to the domain rather than the
workstation account and see if you can access the files.
11
NT stores permissions by the SID (Security ID) which is created uniquely for
new accounts, even with same name. So permissions are indexed by the SID of
the old account and not the new SID with the re-created account. I am not
sure what rules are used to create the SID, perhaps name + date/time or a
random number.

There is an article in the MS-KnowledgeBase for this at:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q197/0/06.ASP?LN=EN-US&SD=g
n&FR=0 which might help.

Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eric Tolliver [mailto:e.tolliver@...]
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2000 9:37 AM
To: Vantage@Egroups. Com
Subject: [Vantage] Off Topic Nt Users


Hello all,

I’m having a problem that doesn’t make any sense. I have renamed an account
on the server and supplied a new password and made the account active. On
the NT workstation that I try to access the server with I have created the
Renamed the account and assigned the same password. I can access the server
where Everyone has permissions, but I can’t get to the files that have the
individual permissions. I have checked the security permissions and the user
is shown with Full Access privileges. Yet I can’t enter the file. Has anyone
seen this problem before.


Eric Tolliver
IT\MIS
Continental Industries Inc.
5456 E. Mcdowell Rd.
Mesa, Az 85215
http://ciirelays.com/
mailto:e.tolliver@...



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