OT: Language Translation Software

I'd like to thank everyone too, I'm looking at some software from World
Language. www.worldlangauge.com that might fit our need. We have a large
number of Bosnian folks. The croatian/serbian software translators are few
and far between. What I'm looking at is about $69.95 and might be just
enough. We are going to have a someone that knows the language proofread
before issuing. (dont want a "put hand in press and close" to go out)

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Spriggle [mailto:rspriggle@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Unfortunately my case is a little more complex. Our tech writer is
looking
for something that will translate our user manuals into various languages
so
we don't have to pay each time we need a new language or revision. I'll
have to show him this thread.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I'll check them out as well.
Thanks Shirly - your timing for this was perfect!

Rick




>Hopefully, everybody here will stick to short phrases and single words.

>Shirley

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Does anyone know if Progress 9.1D uses the same ODBC driver as 9.1C? I have
searched the Progress website and cant find the answer.
Thanks
Jeremy
The version of the odbc installed of the 9.1D cd that we loaded here was SQL
92 3.60.0000.

Tim

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Does anyone know if Progress 9.1D uses the same ODBC driver as 9.1C? I have
searched the Progress website and cant find the answer.
Thanks
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The version of the odbc installed of the 9.1D cd that we loaded here was SQL
92 3.60.0000.

Tim

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Does anyone know if Progress 9.1D uses the same ODBC driver as 9.1C? I have
searched the Progress website and cant find the answer.
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Has anyone had any experience with Langauge translation software? Any
particular brand or package better than another?

Shirley Graver
Systems Administrator
Rubber Associates Inc.
Cleveland/Akron, OH



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I would be very interested in this information as well.

Rick


>
>Has anyone had any experience with Langauge translation software? Any
>particular brand or package better than another?
>
>Shirley Graver
Shirley,

I have used Global Translation software for number of language translation. (And several others) We were not happy with the results we received. We sent our
translation to a customer to review and they had a good laugh.

The process of translating via the software was tedious and very time consuming. by the time we paid the employee to actually translate the information and pay for the
software and all the applicable "libraries" we needed it was very expensive. The libraries our based on what field you are in.

We had to "bag" the software and we use a translation company. Now, on that issue be very careful on the company you choose. The first go around, we found a company on the
web. They sounded very good AND they were cheap. But again, our customer had a good laugh at us. We finally found a great company and they are willing work on
pricing. If you are interested contact me, and I will give the person name and phone number who we deal with. They do excellent work.

If you would like to discuss in further details call me.

Dina
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100

Shirley Graver wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with Langauge translation software? Any
> particular brand or package better than another?
>
> Shirley Graver
> Systems Administrator
> Rubber Associates Inc.
> Cleveland/Akron, OH
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Mainly our goal was to make safety signs and safety messages available for
our employees. We didnt need something to translate important documents.

Shirley

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From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Shirley,

I have used Global Translation software for number of language
translation. (And several others) We were not happy with the results we
received. We sent our
translation to a customer to review and they had a good laugh.

The process of translating via the software was tedious and very time
consuming. by the time we paid the employee to actually translate the
information and pay for the
software and all the applicable "libraries" we needed it was very
expensive. The libraries our based on what field you are in.

We had to "bag" the software and we use a translation company. Now, on
that issue be very careful on the company you choose. The first go around,
we found a company on the
web. They sounded very good AND they were cheap. But again, our
customer had a good laugh at us. We finally found a great company and they
are willing work on
pricing. If you are interested contact me, and I will give the person
name and phone number who we deal with. They do excellent work.

If you would like to discuss in further details call me.

Dina
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100

Shirley Graver wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with Langauge translation software? Any
> particular brand or package better than another?
>
> Shirley Graver
> Systems Administrator
> Rubber Associates Inc.
> Cleveland/Akron, OH
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Shirley,

Check out the following two links.

<http://babelfish.altavista.com/> http://babelfish.altavista.com/

http://www.freetranslation.com/ <http://www.freetranslation.com/>


Dave Cole
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 9:17 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Mainly our goal was to make safety signs and safety messages available for
our employees. We didnt need something to translate important documents.

Shirley

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From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Shirley,

I have used Global Translation software for number of language
translation. (And several others) We were not happy with the results we
received. We sent our
translation to a customer to review and they had a good laugh.

The process of translating via the software was tedious and very time
consuming. by the time we paid the employee to actually translate the
information and pay for the
software and all the applicable "libraries" we needed it was very
expensive. The libraries our based on what field you are in.

We had to "bag" the software and we use a translation company. Now, on
that issue be very careful on the company you choose. The first go around,
we found a company on the
web. They sounded very good AND they were cheap. But again, our
customer had a good laugh at us. We finally found a great company and they
are willing work on
pricing. If you are interested contact me, and I will give the person
name and phone number who we deal with. They do excellent work.

If you would like to discuss in further details call me.

Dina
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100

Shirley Graver wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with Langauge translation software? Any
> particular brand or package better than another?
>
> Shirley Graver
> Systems Administrator
> Rubber Associates Inc.
> Cleveland/Akron, OH
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>
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>
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Shirley,

There are several online tools you would be able to use then.

Dina

Shirley Graver wrote:

> Mainly our goal was to make safety signs and safety messages available for
> our employees. We didnt need something to translate important documents.
>
> Shirley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:04 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software
>
> Shirley,
>
> I have used Global Translation software for number of language
> translation. (And several others) We were not happy with the results we
> received. We sent our
> translation to a customer to review and they had a good laugh.
>
> The process of translating via the software was tedious and very time
> consuming. by the time we paid the employee to actually translate the
> information and pay for the
> software and all the applicable "libraries" we needed it was very
> expensive. The libraries our based on what field you are in.
>
> We had to "bag" the software and we use a translation company. Now, on
> that issue be very careful on the company you choose. The first go around,
> we found a company on the
> web. They sounded very good AND they were cheap. But again, our
> customer had a good laugh at us. We finally found a great company and they
> are willing work on
> pricing. If you are interested contact me, and I will give the person
> name and phone number who we deal with. They do excellent work.
>
> If you would like to discuss in further details call me.
>
> Dina
> Vamco International, Inc.
> (412) 963-7100
>
> Shirley Graver wrote:
>
> > Has anyone had any experience with Langauge translation software? Any
> > particular brand or package better than another?
> >
> > Shirley Graver
> > Systems Administrator
> > Rubber Associates Inc.
> > Cleveland/Akron, OH
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Shirley et al,

Feel free to drop me a line if it concerns an occasional safety message that
needs to be translated from German, French, and Dutch to English.

Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:17 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Mainly our goal was to make safety signs and safety messages available for
our employees. We didnt need something to translate important documents.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----
From: Dina Hieber [mailto:dhieber@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 10:04 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Shirley,

I have used Global Translation software for number of language
translation. (And several others) We were not happy with the results we
received. We sent our
translation to a customer to review and they had a good laugh.

The process of translating via the software was tedious and very time
consuming. by the time we paid the employee to actually translate the
information and pay for the
software and all the applicable "libraries" we needed it was very
expensive. The libraries our based on what field you are in.

We had to "bag" the software and we use a translation company. Now, on
that issue be very careful on the company you choose. The first go around,
we found a company on the
web. They sounded very good AND they were cheap. But again, our
customer had a good laugh at us. We finally found a great company and they
are willing work on
pricing. If you are interested contact me, and I will give the person
name and phone number who we deal with. They do excellent work.

If you would like to discuss in further details call me.

Dina
Vamco International, Inc.
(412) 963-7100

Shirley Graver wrote:

> Has anyone had any experience with Langauge translation software? Any
> particular brand or package better than another?
>
> Shirley Graver
> Systems Administrator
> Rubber Associates Inc.
> Cleveland/Akron, OH
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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>
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(412) 963-9511 - fax

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Shirley -

Check out: www.systransoft.com
They have an online area to translate words & phrases but it's always best
to have
someone fluent in the language translate for you. Many translation
softwares don't
translate the meaning - just the words. If you use a software for example
to go from
English to Spanish, also use the tool to translate the same words/phrases
from
Spanish back to English and make sure the translation is correct.

If the you need quick translation, I can translate to/from: German, Dutch,
Spanish,
Polish, Russian, Japanese, French, Hindi. My Mandarin and Korean are pretty
rusty.

HTH,
Calvin
-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:22 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Has anyone had any experience with Langauge translation software? Any
particular brand or package better than another?

Shirley Graver
Systems Administrator
Rubber Associates Inc.
Cleveland/Akron, OH



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I'll give the suggestions a try, Hopefully, everybody here will stick to
short phrases and single words. I'm sure I can't go too wrong with
"DANGER", or "STOP", with my luck it'll turn out to be something like "Hey
Sailor" or something.

Shirley

-----Original Message-----[Shirley Graver] sure
From: Calvin Dekker [mailto:calvin@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Shirley -

Check out: www.systransoft.com
They have an online area to translate words & phrases but it's always best
to have
someone fluent in the language translate for you. Many translation
softwares don't
translate the meaning - just the words. If you use a software for example
to go from
English to Spanish, also use the tool to translate the same words/phrases
from
Spanish back to English and make sure the translation is correct.

If the you need quick translation, I can translate to/from: German, Dutch,
Spanish,
Polish, Russian, Japanese, French, Hindi. My Mandarin and Korean are
pretty
rusty.

HTH,
Calvin
-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 8:22 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Has anyone had any experience with Langauge translation software? Any
particular brand or package better than another?

Shirley Graver
Systems Administrator
Rubber Associates Inc.
Cleveland/Akron, OH



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Unfortunately my case is a little more complex. Our tech writer is looking
for something that will translate our user manuals into various languages so
we don't have to pay each time we need a new language or revision. I'll
have to show him this thread.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I'll check them out as well.
Thanks Shirly - your timing for this was perfect!

Rick




>Hopefully, everybody here will stick to short phrases and single words.

>Shirley
Rick,

If you would like have your Tech Writer call me, I will share my experience.

Dina

Rick Spriggle wrote:

> Unfortunately my case is a little more complex. Our tech writer is looking
> for something that will translate our user manuals into various languages so
> we don't have to pay each time we need a new language or revision. I'll
> have to show him this thread.
>
> Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I'll check them out as well.
> Thanks Shirly - your timing for this was perfect!
>
> Rick
>
> >Hopefully, everybody here will stick to short phrases and single words.
>
> >Shirley
>
>
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Dina,

I'm forwarding this information to him as I type. I'll let him know you are
willing to share your experiences.

Thanks,
Rick
Rick,

I recall from when I was a computer programmer 10yrs ago doing
french/english product rating labels that, for detailed instructions where
wording was critical, none of the language-translation software would do it
well enough. We had to pay to have it done, in order to be sure. Just
think of some of the crummy asian motherboard instructions you've had to
follow - poor translation reflects badly on the product and company.

Gary Polvinale

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Spriggle [mailto:rspriggle@...]
Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2002 11:46 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Language Translation Software


Unfortunately my case is a little more complex. Our tech writer is looking
for something that will translate our user manuals into various languages so
we don't have to pay each time we need a new language or revision. I'll
have to show him this thread.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions. I'll check them out as well.
Thanks Shirly - your timing for this was perfect!

Rick




>Hopefully, everybody here will stick to short phrases and single words.

>Shirley


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