[OT] opinions wanted

I only mentioned dump and load, I didn't say anything about Capturing WIP
activity....

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] opinions wanted


I certainly didn't give permission for THAT. He's going to get
pushished!!

Shirl

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:32 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] opinions wanted

Or shopping to add to his personal collections, eh Mistress Shirley? :)


-----Original Message-----
From: Wilmoth, Deb [mailto:Deb@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:23 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] opinions wanted


Could be spending the time gaming, right Shirley!?!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:16 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Beats reading magazines?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Paul,
You log in from . your BATHROOM? You have way to much spare
time.

Shirley ;}

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:54 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted

Jim,

Finish your degree, but in your spare time keep tinkering with the new
technology. (Anything you can do to speed up finishing? ie. summer
sessions?)
Salvage a few old systems for use at home. Build crazy networks in your
basement. Do stuff like mixing 2003 and Linux, or log on from your
bathroom
to your basement servers using Citrix. Those types of habits impress me
a
lot more as an interviewer than certs....

HTH,

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Carnes [mailto:jcarnes@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Sorry all for the way off topic post but this is a well-diversified
group
whose members almost always have sound advice. I'm not immediately
looking
for a job but have some concerns that my job skills are becoming
stagnant.
We still run NT servers with primarily 95/98/NT clients. I'm very
comfortable with this environment. However, NT is basically a dead
operating system. We have no plans on upgrading our IT systems because
like
most of you I'm sure manufacturing is extremely tight and has been for
the
past 2 years so it is a "if it works don't touch it" environment.
Anyways,
I was certified from MS on their NT operating systems but don't have the
2000 and XP certs. My experience is somewhat limited with Active
Directory,
etc. Now I'm confident that I could handle a 2000/XP network but
couldn't
run off at the mouth about how to do this or that from memory. So do
you
think it is worth going again for one of those XP/2000 certs (which I'm
not
totally sold on based on past experience), doing it myself through the
books
or forgetting both and just finish my degree. I plan to finish the
degree
regardless but that is about 2 more years going part time and I know I
won't
be here that long. Anyway, sorry for the OT post but any
opinions/advice
would be appreciated.


Jim Carnes
Information Systems
Kenlee Precision Corporation
1700 Morrell Park Ave
Baltimore, MD 21230
410-525-3800 x132




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Could be spending the time gaming, right Shirley!?!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
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Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:16 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Beats reading magazines?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Paul,
You log in from . your BATHROOM? You have way to much spare
time.

Shirley ;}

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Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:54 AM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted

Jim,

Finish your degree, but in your spare time keep tinkering with the new
technology. (Anything you can do to speed up finishing? ie. summer
sessions?)
Salvage a few old systems for use at home. Build crazy networks in your
basement. Do stuff like mixing 2003 and Linux, or log on from your
bathroom
to your basement servers using Citrix. Those types of habits impress me
a
lot more as an interviewer than certs....

HTH,

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Carnes [mailto:jcarnes@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Sorry all for the way off topic post but this is a well-diversified
group
whose members almost always have sound advice. I'm not immediately
looking
for a job but have some concerns that my job skills are becoming
stagnant.
We still run NT servers with primarily 95/98/NT clients. I'm very
comfortable with this environment. However, NT is basically a dead
operating system. We have no plans on upgrading our IT systems because
like
most of you I'm sure manufacturing is extremely tight and has been for
the
past 2 years so it is a "if it works don't touch it" environment.
Anyways,
I was certified from MS on their NT operating systems but don't have the
2000 and XP certs. My experience is somewhat limited with Active
Directory,
etc. Now I'm confident that I could handle a 2000/XP network but
couldn't
run off at the mouth about how to do this or that from memory. So do
you
think it is worth going again for one of those XP/2000 certs (which I'm
not
totally sold on based on past experience), doing it myself through the
books
or forgetting both and just finish my degree. I plan to finish the
degree
regardless but that is about 2 more years going part time and I know I
won't
be here that long. Anyway, sorry for the OT post but any
opinions/advice
would be appreciated.


Jim Carnes
Information Systems
Kenlee Precision Corporation
1700 Morrell Park Ave
Baltimore, MD 21230
410-525-3800 x132




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Or even movies,

Shirley



-----Original Message-----
From: Wilmoth, Deb [mailto:Deb@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 12:23 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] opinions wanted

Could be spending the time gaming, right Shirley!?!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:16 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Beats reading magazines?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Paul,
You log in from . your BATHROOM? You have way to much spare
time.

Shirley ;}

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:54 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted

Jim,

Finish your degree, but in your spare time keep tinkering with the new
technology. (Anything you can do to speed up finishing? ie. summer
sessions?)
Salvage a few old systems for use at home. Build crazy networks in your
basement. Do stuff like mixing 2003 and Linux, or log on from your
bathroom
to your basement servers using Citrix. Those types of habits impress me
a
lot more as an interviewer than certs....

HTH,

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Carnes [mailto:jcarnes@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Sorry all for the way off topic post but this is a well-diversified
group
whose members almost always have sound advice. I'm not immediately
looking
for a job but have some concerns that my job skills are becoming
stagnant.
We still run NT servers with primarily 95/98/NT clients. I'm very
comfortable with this environment. However, NT is basically a dead
operating system. We have no plans on upgrading our IT systems because
like
most of you I'm sure manufacturing is extremely tight and has been for
the
past 2 years so it is a "if it works don't touch it" environment.
Anyways,
I was certified from MS on their NT operating systems but don't have the
2000 and XP certs. My experience is somewhat limited with Active
Directory,
etc. Now I'm confident that I could handle a 2000/XP network but
couldn't
run off at the mouth about how to do this or that from memory. So do
you
think it is worth going again for one of those XP/2000 certs (which I'm
not
totally sold on based on past experience), doing it myself through the
books
or forgetting both and just finish my degree. I plan to finish the
degree
regardless but that is about 2 more years going part time and I know I
won't
be here that long. Anyway, sorry for the OT post but any
opinions/advice
would be appreciated.


Jim Carnes
Information Systems
Kenlee Precision Corporation
1700 Morrell Park Ave
Baltimore, MD 21230
410-525-3800 x132




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Or shopping to add to his personal collections, eh Mistress Shirley? :)


-----Original Message-----
From: Wilmoth, Deb [mailto:Deb@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:23 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] opinions wanted


Could be spending the time gaming, right Shirley!?!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:16 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Beats reading magazines?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Paul,
You log in from . your BATHROOM? You have way to much spare
time.

Shirley ;}

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:54 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted

Jim,

Finish your degree, but in your spare time keep tinkering with the new
technology. (Anything you can do to speed up finishing? ie. summer
sessions?)
Salvage a few old systems for use at home. Build crazy networks in your
basement. Do stuff like mixing 2003 and Linux, or log on from your
bathroom
to your basement servers using Citrix. Those types of habits impress me
a
lot more as an interviewer than certs....

HTH,

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Carnes [mailto:jcarnes@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Sorry all for the way off topic post but this is a well-diversified
group
whose members almost always have sound advice. I'm not immediately
looking
for a job but have some concerns that my job skills are becoming
stagnant.
We still run NT servers with primarily 95/98/NT clients. I'm very
comfortable with this environment. However, NT is basically a dead
operating system. We have no plans on upgrading our IT systems because
like
most of you I'm sure manufacturing is extremely tight and has been for
the
past 2 years so it is a "if it works don't touch it" environment.
Anyways,
I was certified from MS on their NT operating systems but don't have the
2000 and XP certs. My experience is somewhat limited with Active
Directory,
etc. Now I'm confident that I could handle a 2000/XP network but
couldn't
run off at the mouth about how to do this or that from memory. So do
you
think it is worth going again for one of those XP/2000 certs (which I'm
not
totally sold on based on past experience), doing it myself through the
books
or forgetting both and just finish my degree. I plan to finish the
degree
regardless but that is about 2 more years going part time and I know I
won't
be here that long. Anyway, sorry for the OT post but any
opinions/advice
would be appreciated.


Jim Carnes
Information Systems
Kenlee Precision Corporation
1700 Morrell Park Ave
Baltimore, MD 21230
410-525-3800 x132




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I certainly didn't give permission for THAT. He's going to get
pushished!!

Shirl

-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 1:32 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] opinions wanted

Or shopping to add to his personal collections, eh Mistress Shirley? :)


-----Original Message-----
From: Wilmoth, Deb [mailto:Deb@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:23 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] opinions wanted


Could be spending the time gaming, right Shirley!?!!

Deb Wilmoth
Controller
Reeder & Kline Machine Company, Inc.
Vantage 5.0


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:16 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Beats reading magazines?

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Paul,
You log in from . your BATHROOM? You have way to much spare
time.

Shirley ;}

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Siebers [mailto:paul.siebers@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:54 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted

Jim,

Finish your degree, but in your spare time keep tinkering with the new
technology. (Anything you can do to speed up finishing? ie. summer
sessions?)
Salvage a few old systems for use at home. Build crazy networks in your
basement. Do stuff like mixing 2003 and Linux, or log on from your
bathroom
to your basement servers using Citrix. Those types of habits impress me
a
lot more as an interviewer than certs....

HTH,

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Carnes [mailto:jcarnes@...]
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 11:45 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] [OT] IT Career advice - opinions wanted


Sorry all for the way off topic post but this is a well-diversified
group
whose members almost always have sound advice. I'm not immediately
looking
for a job but have some concerns that my job skills are becoming
stagnant.
We still run NT servers with primarily 95/98/NT clients. I'm very
comfortable with this environment. However, NT is basically a dead
operating system. We have no plans on upgrading our IT systems because
like
most of you I'm sure manufacturing is extremely tight and has been for
the
past 2 years so it is a "if it works don't touch it" environment.
Anyways,
I was certified from MS on their NT operating systems but don't have the
2000 and XP certs. My experience is somewhat limited with Active
Directory,
etc. Now I'm confident that I could handle a 2000/XP network but
couldn't
run off at the mouth about how to do this or that from memory. So do
you
think it is worth going again for one of those XP/2000 certs (which I'm
not
totally sold on based on past experience), doing it myself through the
books
or forgetting both and just finish my degree. I plan to finish the
degree
regardless but that is about 2 more years going part time and I know I
won't
be here that long. Anyway, sorry for the OT post but any
opinions/advice
would be appreciated.


Jim Carnes
Information Systems
Kenlee Precision Corporation
1700 Morrell Park Ave
Baltimore, MD 21230
410-525-3800 x132




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