I had Epicor quote for them to come out over a weekend and do the
full upgrade including a dump and load and upgrades from 5.0...6.1,
therefore they will know for sure what is supported and will be able
to resolve any problem which I would not have support for. I did
3.0,4.0,5.0 over a 3day Labor day weekend a few years ago and I just
know I can't make this one happen in 2 days with everything else
going on. Of course all of the server hardware will be in place
before Vantage upgrade. I hope to have a copy of 6.1 available for
users to play in before the upgrade. It would just be sooo sweet if
both companies would be up to date and split that cost. If Epicor
does the upgrade, and I have my local network techs setting up and
installing the servers and jet direct cards, my main purpose would be
to coordinate/supervise full project, administrate users/security on
new servers and Vantage upgrade, cutover workstations to begin using
new co2 LAN (and disconnect from co1 LAN) - load network client and
settings and update rb reports. Once the users see new reports
in 6.1, they may no longer use rb reports, so I will be selective on
what I update. Thanks for the heads up on the drive sizes also, it
makes sense. I have run out of drive space in years past, during
Vantage upgrades which is the worst possible time. On our current NT
server they recommended a type of Raid 0/1 combination. You
recommend Raid 1. Has this changed? The servers will all come with
GB nics, and like I said, co2 already has a GB switch. I will
recommend that co1 upgrade to gb switch at least at the server.
Thanks so much!!
Ann Rohyans
AMFAB
amfab@...
full upgrade including a dump and load and upgrades from 5.0...6.1,
therefore they will know for sure what is supported and will be able
to resolve any problem which I would not have support for. I did
3.0,4.0,5.0 over a 3day Labor day weekend a few years ago and I just
know I can't make this one happen in 2 days with everything else
going on. Of course all of the server hardware will be in place
before Vantage upgrade. I hope to have a copy of 6.1 available for
users to play in before the upgrade. It would just be sooo sweet if
both companies would be up to date and split that cost. If Epicor
does the upgrade, and I have my local network techs setting up and
installing the servers and jet direct cards, my main purpose would be
to coordinate/supervise full project, administrate users/security on
new servers and Vantage upgrade, cutover workstations to begin using
new co2 LAN (and disconnect from co1 LAN) - load network client and
settings and update rb reports. Once the users see new reports
in 6.1, they may no longer use rb reports, so I will be selective on
what I update. Thanks for the heads up on the drive sizes also, it
makes sense. I have run out of drive space in years past, during
Vantage upgrades which is the worst possible time. On our current NT
server they recommended a type of Raid 0/1 combination. You
recommend Raid 1. Has this changed? The servers will all come with
GB nics, and like I said, co2 already has a GB switch. I will
recommend that co1 upgrade to gb switch at least at the server.
Thanks so much!!
Ann Rohyans
AMFAB
amfab@...
--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, pjw@s... wrote:
> I think you are on the right track, I would not try to also do a
vantage
> upgrade with all the hardware changes but I don't think older
versions of
> progress are certified for Windows Server 2003. You may want to
contact
> progress directly and know for sure if the version of vantage and
progress
> you want to end up on is OK on Windows Server 2003. As for hard
disks, I
> think disk space is cheap so it makes it easy to select RAID 1 over
RAID5.
> Mirror up a couple of pairs of drives, 36gig is a small drive these
days.
> Controllers and Drives is where you get performance from nobody is
pegging
> Xeon processors and calling them a bottle neck. Since your
purchasing new
> make sure your running gigabyte Ethernet from the servers to the
switches.
>
> Patrick Winter
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amfabllc [mailto:amfab@a...]
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:41 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] OT-Teminal Server
>
>
> To start with, I sure appreciate this group and all who share their
> knowledge! I have searched and have found positive responses on
> terminal server, so I am going to give it serious consideration.
>
> Here is my situation:
> Vantage is currently on NT4 (500mhz, 512mb RAM), Vantage v5.0,
> running 2 companies with 50 total users with buildings close enough
> to be on a LAN which I am the (only) IT person/administrator. It
> will be known very soon if one of the companies will be sold. If
> that happens, there will be a short time to setup a separate LAN,
> phone/internet service for company 2 (co2). The phone/internet
> service is already in the works - will have 768k internet. What I
> have in mind, since co2 will need a new server is to have one big
> upgrade, bringing in a W2003 server and upgrading to Vantage
> 5.1,5.2,6.0,6.1. I might be crazy, but at the same time I want to
> get co1 to also purchasing a W2003 server so that the current
Vantage
> db can be upgraded before it is split onto 2 separate servers (each
> co keeping it's own data). (If co1 won't approve, then the db will
> be split before the upgrade and only co2 data will be at 6.1).
Both
> companies have workstations ranging from 200 mhz to 500 mz. To
> upgrade old PC's to min req is $500 with some labor added, just not
> worth it. To replace all workstations would be extrememly
expensive
> and time consuming, plus lots of user interuption. This is one
> reason the terminal server is so appealing. Also so that in the
> future when Vantage is upgraded, I won't need to visit every
> workstation to upgrade the Vantage client. Also because we have
> remote users that will be able to log in securely and actually be
> able to get some work done in Vantage. As I understand it, even
> though Vantage 6.1 workstation min requirements are something like
> 500 mhz, 256mb RAM and Win2000/XPpro, my old 200-500 mhz with 32-
320mb RAM,
> all of which are Windows 98 can remain where they are and
> as they are if I bring in a terminal server, because all
workstations
> will log into it and all processing will be done there.
>
> At this time I am considering recommending to co2 (and co1) that
they
> each purchase qty 2, Compaq Proliant MI370 G3 Xeon/2.8 ghz, dual
> processor, 3gb RAM, 2 ch smart array controller 128mb, each with 4
> hot plug 10k scsi 36.4 hard drives and Windows 2003 server /
Terminal
> server. (& monitors,backup tape drives,UPSs, etc). (What is the
> recommended RAID??) 1 server to be used as the Vantage database
> server and the second to be used as the terminal server and
> file/print server. (Is it unrealistic to believe that if someday
the
> Vantage server crashed, that Vantage could actually be restored by
> tape onto the second server - I realize it might slow everything
> down, but could it be functional in an emergency?) Co2 will have
16
> Vantage office users, 0 DC users. (Co1 would have 21 Vntg Office
> users and 10 DC users). I will also recommend a sonicwall VPN
> firewall (co1 already has one) and jet direct cards for any shared
> laser printers. These companies are manufactures, so they do NOT
> like to spend $$ on computer systems, therefore whatever is
installed
> needs to be sufficient far into the future. I hope to be assured
by
> you guys that this is 'the way to go' and that every user, no
matter
> the speed of their PC or the amount of RAM they currently have,
will
> be pleasantly pleased at the lightening speed of the new system, no
> matter if local or remote, for years to come. (Co2 has a GB
switch,
> co1 has 100mb switch.) Is there a limit to the amount of users
that
> can be logged into the terminal server and still expect good
speed??
> Co2 will have 20 users, co1 will have 40 users - on serarate LANs.
> Anything you see that I could have overlooked? I hear many good
> things about Dell's, but I think I will prefer to stick with Compaq
> for now due to past experience with local service and the current
> network tech I use. I have not yet decided if I will do the
Vantage
> upgrade - I will have my plate full already, so I may have it
done.
> I will have 200-300 report builder reports to update also. (When I
> have upgraded Vantage in the past, I type out the menu in Excel and
> use it for a security sheet so that supervisors can mark what menu
> items they want their employees to have. Does anyone else do this
> that would like to share a copy??)
> Thanks a million in advance!! Please feel free to contact me on or
> off line.
> Ann Rohyans
> AMFAB
> 574-264-2190
> amfab@a...
>