Totally.
How about generating a progress report that averages your actual run times
for the last year and then manually updating these 'Revised' run times into
the quote and re-calculating ?
I just ran some reports that compares the material issued to jobs with the
estimated material over the course of 2 years. We found some parts where
the raw material used was 10-15 % higher on average then what we expected
for a variety of reasons including bad estimates and 'Cutoffs' that weren't
factored in correctly. We are now in the process of updating the quotes for
these jobs based on the higher material usage. Of course, our customers
could be far more understanding about price increases ... especially now
when the economy is dropping like a rock ...
I would agree with you that averaging the runs for hrs and material should
be part of the overall loop.
I've been trying to get the company to put a procedure in place where if the
actual run times or material are more then +/- 10 % of estimate then the
operator fills out sheet explaining WHY when he/she finishes the run. Some
variances are in the "Stuff Happens" category - tooling breaks, bad
material, etc. But if the time is for real and it's the best the operator
can do then I'd like to see the quoting / engineering people review the job
within 24 hrs of the actual run so they can talk to the operator while it is
still fresh in his/her head as to what happened. I definitely believe the
quote should be reviewed before you sell it again. Waiting for a year to
find out that your material estimate was off by 10 % seems a little ....
-----Original Message-----
From:
acretors@... [mailto:
acretors@...]
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:52 AM
To:
vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Quote Module
My understanding is this:
Where does vantage get the quoted hours from?
Here's how I see it:
You set up the routing, and this is a good estimate of how long it
will take to make something. Over time, you develop a actual cost,
based upon the actual times needed to make a part. This actual costs
(average, in our case) more closely reflects reality because it is
based upon what has actually happened.
Basically, I want to generate a worksheet of costs based upon what
has actually happened. Does that help?
Andrew
--- In vantage@y..., Todd Anderson <tanderson@j...> wrote:
> Andrew,
>
> My understanding of the quoting module is that it uses "Quoted
Cost" x
> "Quoted Hrs". As opposed to using the "Costing Rates".
>
> "Quoted costs" are used for quoting and "Actual Costs" ( So to
speak ) are
> used for costing of real jobs using real times.
>
> Having 2 different cost structures is actually very handy.
>
> Why would you want Vantage to use the "Actual Costs" for
quoting ? I'm not
> sure what you are driving at.
>
> Do you have different rates in the system for quoting vs actual ?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: acretors@c... [mailto:acretors@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 10:03 AM
> To: vantage@y...
> Subject: [Vantage] Quote Module
>
>
> To all,
> I created a quote in Vantage 4.0.904, pulled in the MFG Details,
and
> looked at the worksheet. The worksheet cost didn't agree with our
> average cost. A call to Epicor revealed that Vantage is using the
> routing times to develop costs. I expected Vantage to use the
actual
> costs. Does anyone else feel this way? The same thing would apply
to
> the costed BOM report which doesn't use real costs either.
>
> Perhaps there is a discipline for updating routings that we aren't
> aware of. What are you guys doing to:
> 1. Update routings?
> 2. Develop cost worksheets via the quote module?
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> Andrew
>
>
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