Mario -
Back on 2.1 of Vantage, we kicked out the consultant because they couldn't
answer any questions as to how the software related to our business model.
The software was as new to them as it was to us. They only showed us where
the buttons were on the screen and how the data flowed through the modules.
We could have learned that on our own. With 8.0 this is still the case! I
can sit through 40 hours of e-learning and know where all the buttons and
fields are on the screen. The business logic for the core is the same so
how the program moves from module to module didn't change. The rest comes
from practice, management buy-in/support, and adapting the software to the
business model. I don't see this being any different in 8.0 than it was
back on 2.1.
It's a new version - learn the buttons and screens, know your business
specific issues, meld the two together. You can't learn the buttons and
screens if they don't ship the software! I'm with you Mario, a test
environment for the administrator and key departments is crucial to a
successful roll-out.
We are going to rekey all our data and reimplement from scratch - since
there has been so much change we're going to take the time to clean up the
system completely. Also, since all reports need to be re-written from
scratch, with 8.0 we are seeing this as a great time to clean-it-all up!
We've paid the maintenance for the new release. After upgrading the entire
network to handle beyond 8's minimums, we're not budgeting for elearning or
consulting. Vantage has done us good for 10 years without jumping through
hoops, no reason to believe it won't for another 10 - I'd love to hear a
good explanation for the hoops all of the sudden.
Sorry all, we were looking to be live on 8 by our year end 3/31 and I have
just been bottling this up like Mario since January.
HTH,
Calvin
AEI / JNR
-----Original Message-----
From: Mario Aguirre [mailto:
maguirre@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:15 PM
To:
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Requirements for 8.0 - with Maintenance Agreement
Yeah, that too. Being here since 4.0.
________________________________
From: Edward F. Fox, Jr. [mailto:
efox@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 1:12 PM
To:
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Requirements for 8.0 - with Maintenance Agreement
I remember when it just showed up.
-----Original Message-----
From: Mario Aguirre [mailto:
maguirre@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:10 PM
To:
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Subject: [Vantage] Requirements for 8.0 - with Maintenance Agreement
I posted the Epicor requirements for whoever might be interested on
getting
8.0. Please, contact your CAM for more details in terms of costs (I have
maintenance with elearning which is a tremendous tool). I just missed
the
old days when we filled an application and got the software fedexed.
Thank you, Lindsay for your responses. Mario.
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