Server requirements for V8

If for no other reason than to sut up tech support get rid of raid 5 and use raid 10. Any call to tech with you running Raid 5 and that's what they'll try to blame it on first. RAID 5 provides fault tolerance at the best cost, but has half the write performance of RAID 1 and 0+1. RAID 5 must perform additional I/O to read and write parity information onto disk. RAID 5 is not as fault tolerant as RAID 1 and 0+1.

Joe Rojas <jrojas@...> wrote: I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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RAID 5 is NOT recommended for any transaction-intensive database. Search on the Internet -- there's many articles explaining why.

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From: "Joe Rojas" <jrojas@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:21 PM
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8


I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000
RPM SCSI Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came
here didn't say anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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Joe
New years weekend I added a RAID 1 with hot spare to my RAID 5
Vantage server. I moved my database to the new RAID 1 drive and noticed
immediate speed increase overall in All Vantage screens !!!

Cliff

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system
requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks
up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI
Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not
supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have
my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say
anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of
using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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Thanks for the replay Cliff!
Oh man, I don't feel too good! LOL

I have a question? It sounds like you did something similar to what I am thinking about doing. I have more than enough space on my system drive. I am thinking about shutting down Vantage services, coping all the data to the system drive, deleting the RAID 5, rebuild it as a RAID 10, moving the data back over, and restart Vantage.

Will this work?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Drumeller
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

Joe
New years weekend I added a RAID 1 with hot spare to my RAID 5
Vantage server. I moved my database to the new RAID 1 drive and noticed
immediate speed increase overall in All Vantage screens !!!

Cliff

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Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system
requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks
up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI
Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not
supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have
my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say
anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of
using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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Joe
My Vantage server was a three drive RAID 5. I had the room
physically to add three drives and put them in a RAID 1 with a hot
spare. After that I used Procopy from the PROEnv of Vantage to move my
database to the new drive. All I had to do was go into the properties of
PET for the database and change the path to the database, if you use
Procopy. If you use other methods of copying the DB you have to use
Prostruct to repair the other files that point to the DB. Only the
database folder and the Backup folder reside on the new drive. The rest
of the Vantage files still live on the old RAID 5. I was running out of
disk space and I needed to reindex. Re-indexing requires twice the space
of your database. I was at 7.1 GB DB with 2.9 GB free. I put in a set of
73 GB drives to give us some growing space.

Cliff


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Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

Thanks for the replay Cliff!
Oh man, I don't feel too good! LOL

I have a question? It sounds like you did something similar to what I am
thinking about doing. I have more than enough space on my system drive.
I am thinking about shutting down Vantage services, coping all the data
to the system drive, deleting the RAID 5, rebuild it as a RAID 10,
moving the data back over, and restart Vantage.

Will this work?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Cliff Drumeller
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

Joe
New years weekend I added a RAID 1 with hot spare to my RAID 5
Vantage server. I moved my database to the new RAID 1 drive and noticed
immediate speed increase overall in All Vantage screens !!!

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system
requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks
up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI
Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not
supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have
my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say
anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of
using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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You need a minimum of four drives for RAID 10. Are you sure your system partition is not part of the RAID 5? Just a couple basics to think about.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Joe Rojas
Sent: Fri 1/27/2006 4:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8


Thanks for the replay Cliff!
Oh man, I don't feel too good! LOL

I have a question? It sounds like you did something similar to what I am thinking about doing. I have more than enough space on my system drive. I am thinking about shutting down Vantage services, coping all the data to the system drive, deleting the RAID 5, rebuild it as a RAID 10, moving the data back over, and restart Vantage.

Will this work?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Drumeller
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

Joe
New years weekend I added a RAID 1 with hot spare to my RAID 5
Vantage server. I moved my database to the new RAID 1 drive and noticed
immediate speed increase overall in All Vantage screens !!!

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system
requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks
up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI
Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not
supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have
my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say
anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of
using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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In general..



RAID 0 stripes data across 2 (or more drives). This should show a
performance increase as compared to a non-raid drive because the load is
distributed across drives and channels (best performance is 1
drive/controller), however, it is not redundant. Usually, RAID 0 is
better for database applications.



RAID 1 duplicates data for fault tolerance, but doesn't usually show
speed improvement over non-RAID drives except for read operations.



RAID 5 stripes data over several drives, but adds a parity bit for fault
tolerance, so you need only 1 extra drive. However, overhead for doing
RAID 5 doesn't yield performance gains (except on reads), but you get
redundancy.



RAID 0+1 has both striping and redundancy and is probably best for
database applications. It has the best fault tolerance with striping
capabilities.



If you go with any RAID, it is best to have a hardware controller do it
as opposed to doing it in the OS.



There are other RAIDS, but these are the most common. I use 0+1 for my
Vantage server for the DB. For the OS, I use RAID1. I have separate
controllers for each RAID.



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Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8



I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system
requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks
up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI
Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not
supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have
my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say
anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of
using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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Thanks Todd, Cliff, and Steve!

I have the OS on a RAID1 and the DB on RAID5. Both on separate hardware controllers.
I wasn't aware of the downside of RAID5 for write intensive applications.

Do either of you know if what I proposed as a remedy below will work?
Stop Vantage, move all data to OS drive, delete RAID5, build RAID 0+1 or 1+0 (whichever one my card supports), move data back to RAID, and restart Vantage?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

You need a minimum of four drives for RAID 10. Are you sure your system partition is not part of the RAID 5? Just a couple basics to think about.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Joe Rojas
Sent: Fri 1/27/2006 4:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8


Thanks for the replay Cliff!
Oh man, I don't feel too good! LOL

I have a question? It sounds like you did something similar to what I am thinking about doing. I have more than enough space on my system drive. I am thinking about shutting down Vantage services, coping all the data to the system drive, deleting the RAID 5, rebuild it as a RAID 10, moving the data back over, and restart Vantage.

Will this work?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Cliff Drumeller
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

Joe
New years weekend I added a RAID 1 with hot spare to my RAID 5
Vantage server. I moved my database to the new RAID 1 drive and noticed
immediate speed increase overall in All Vantage screens !!!

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system
requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks
up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI
Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not
supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have
my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say
anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of
using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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Joe
It should work but I would be prepared to have to do a full
Vantage reinstall. Make sure you have all your report libraries and DB
backed up in at least two places. Any Custom screens should be
documented before you leap.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 2:54 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

Thanks Todd, Cliff, and Steve!

I have the OS on a RAID1 and the DB on RAID5. Both on separate hardware
controllers.
I wasn't aware of the downside of RAID5 for write intensive
applications.

Do either of you know if what I proposed as a remedy below will work?
Stop Vantage, move all data to OS drive, delete RAID5, build RAID 0+1 or
1+0 (whichever one my card supports), move data back to RAID, and
restart Vantage?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

You need a minimum of four drives for RAID 10. Are you sure your system
partition is not part of the RAID 5? Just a couple basics to think
about.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Joe Rojas
Sent: Fri 1/27/2006 4:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8


Thanks for the replay Cliff!
Oh man, I don't feel too good! LOL

I have a question? It sounds like you did something similar to what I am
thinking about doing. I have more than enough space on my system drive.
I am thinking about shutting down Vantage services, coping all the data
to the system drive, deleting the RAID 5, rebuild it as a RAID 10,
moving the data back over, and restart Vantage.

Will this work?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Cliff Drumeller
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

Joe
New years weekend I added a RAID 1 with hot spare to my RAID 5
Vantage server. I moved my database to the new RAID 1 drive and noticed
immediate speed increase overall in All Vantage screens !!!

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system
requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks
up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI
Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not
supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have
my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say
anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of
using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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Vantage has ALWAYS (since my first experience with it in 1996 --eek, ten
years ago) said Raid 1 0r 0 NO RAID 5. ALWAYS!

Lydia

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system
requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks
up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI
Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not
supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have
my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say
anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of
using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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I have never personally changed RAID levels on a live machine (except
breaking a RAID 1) and I don't know what your hardware will support. If
you copy everything, and move it back again after the rebuild, I would
assume it would work perfectly, assuming you didn't try to run any
applications during the transitions. I would keep an eye out for drive
letters and shares. A good full system backup is essential.



Steven Comeau

Manager, Corporate IT Systems

Main Tape

1 Capital Drive, Suite 101

Cranbury, NJ 08512

800-718-8273 x332

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From: Joe Rojas [mailto:jrojas@...]
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:54 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8



Thanks Todd, Cliff, and Steve!

I have the OS on a RAID1 and the DB on RAID5. Both on separate hardware
controllers.
I wasn't aware of the downside of RAID5 for write intensive
applications.

Do either of you know if what I proposed as a remedy below will work?
Stop Vantage, move all data to OS drive, delete RAID5, build RAID 0+1 or
1+0 (whichever one my card supports), move data back to RAID, and
restart Vantage?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 5:05 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

You need a minimum of four drives for RAID 10. Are you sure your system
partition is not part of the RAID 5? Just a couple basics to think
about.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Joe Rojas
Sent: Fri 1/27/2006 4:46 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8


Thanks for the replay Cliff!
Oh man, I don't feel too good! LOL

I have a question? It sounds like you did something similar to what I am
thinking about doing. I have more than enough space on my system drive.
I am thinking about shutting down Vantage services, coping all the data
to the system drive, deleting the RAID 5, rebuild it as a RAID 10,
moving the data back over, and restart Vantage.

Will this work?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Cliff Drumeller
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 4:32 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

Joe
New years weekend I added a RAID 1 with hot spare to my RAID 5
Vantage server. I moved my database to the new RAID 1 drive and noticed
immediate speed increase overall in All Vantage screens !!!

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Rojas
Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 1:21 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server requirements for V8

I was browsing EPICWeb when I came across the Vantage 8 system
requirements page.
I was reading about the server requirements to see how our server stacks
up against the requirements when I found this line: 10,000 RPM SCSI
Drives (2-6 Drives with RAID 1 or 10 RAID 5 configurations are not
supported with Vantage.)

Is that for real?!? RAID 5 is not supported? What does that mean? I have
my server setup with RAID 5 and the installer that came here didn't say
anything about it!
Does anyone here use RAID 5 on the server? Anyone know the impact of
using RAID 5?

Thanks,
Joe Rojas
IT Manager
TNCO, Inc.
781-447-6661 x7506
jrojas@...



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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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