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The hardware sizing guide for v8.03.400 located here
<https://epicweb.epicor.com/Support/VantageVista/Resources/Epicor%20Mfg%20Ha
rdware%20Sizing%20and%20Config%20Guide%208X.pdf> (link requires EPICweb
account) and dated 8/28/2007 lists Windows Server 2003 64-bit as being
supported. The Progress OpenEdge Platform Availability Guide located here
<http://www.progress.com/progress_software/products/docs/bu_sep/openedge_10_
availability_guide.pdf> states that Progress 10.1B03 is "Supported but not
optimized for 64-bit".

We went live a few weeks ago with v8.03.403D on Progress and Windows Server
2003 64-bit. No one I spoke with at Epicor mentioned anything about 64-bit
being a problem. Progress is running as a 32-bit app and we haven't had any
problems so far.

The v8.03.404 patch was released this week and it appears that Epicor now
has a download specifically for 64-bit.


Dan Snyder
IT Manager
Mercury Electronics
717-428-0222 ext.224



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Server Selection



The conversation in a session between Ben Nixon, Doug Williams and the
Progress rep revolved around Progress not being optimized for 64bit and that
it could probably be run in 32bit compatibility mode (like any 32bit app)
but not receive any benefit from the 64bit architecture. Furthermore because
of this Epicor was not fully condoning it...although they might be
interested in someone trying it on a test server with a "real world"
database. Personally I did not want to open opportunities for finger
pointing and opted for 32bit Enterprise on our recent server upgrade. Then
again, things may have changed since October.
-Todd C.

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[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Selection

Todd,

I didn't attend Perspectives this year, any word on 64bit OS options? I
see on the Progress site a list of certified 64bit platforms. MS Windows
is actually included as is the expected Linux, Sun and HP. Is it an
Epicor vantage issue or Open Edge issue?

Keith

________________________________

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Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Selection

Also look closely at your network and the NICs in the client PCs. Once a
certain base level of server and client is hit the switches and NICs
begin to have a much greater impact. I've seen this even in 6.1 but at
Perspectives a common theme I was hearing was an appreciation for the
impact of the network and in particular the use (or better the
avoidance) of motherboard network interfaces on the clients. Even with
Gigabit to the desktop an odd NIC or driver miht not yeild anywhere near
that throughput.

Also..they said Progress was not ready for 64 bit yet and they had not
(then) blessed it running as a 32-bit app on a 64 bit server.

The Citrix/TS remote users should be on their own server and leave the
Vantage server exclusively for Vantage. Another Perspectives tip.

-Todd C.

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Subject: [Vantage] Server Selection

We are going to give V8 a serious look see again and it is time for a
server upgrade as well. Can anyone provide feedback on server
specifications for a 50 user environment with 20 remote Citrix/TS users,
the database is Progress? In particular:

Use of MS Enterprise Server (for the added RAM).

Use of 64 bit Server (is this an option and does it increase
performance).

I realize client machines are key as well and we plan to work towards
DuoCore Intel processors and 2 GB Ram as a standard. Our infrastructure
is gigabit to the desktop.

I know the Epicor party line and we exceed that now and I would never
roll out this configuration due to latency issues.

Thanks for the input, in advance.....

Keith

PS I did try more ERM diagram work with Visio and if you have the time
it would work for diagramming the vantage database.




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We are going to give V8 a serious look see again and it is time for a
server upgrade as well. Can anyone provide feedback on server
specifications for a 50 user environment with 20 remote Citrix/TS users,
the database is Progress? In particular:



Use of MS Enterprise Server (for the added RAM).

Use of 64 bit Server (is this an option and does it increase
performance).



I realize client machines are key as well and we plan to work towards
DuoCore Intel processors and 2 GB Ram as a standard. Our infrastructure
is gigabit to the desktop.



I know the Epicor party line and we exceed that now and I would never
roll out this configuration due to latency issues.



Thanks for the input, in advance.....





Keith



PS I did try more ERM diagram work with Visio and if you have the time
it would work for diagramming the vantage database.







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Also look closely at your network and the NICs in the client PCs. Once a certain base level of server and client is hit the switches and NICs begin to have a much greater impact. I've seen this even in 6.1 but at Perspectives a common theme I was hearing was an appreciation for the impact of the network and in particular the use (or better the avoidance) of motherboard network interfaces on the clients. Even with Gigabit to the desktop an odd NIC or driver miht not yeild anywhere near that throughput.

Also..they said Progress was not ready for 64 bit yet and they had not (then) blessed it running as a 32-bit app on a 64 bit server.

The Citrix/TS remote users should be on their own server and leave the Vantage server exclusively for Vantage. Another Perspectives tip.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Server Selection


We are going to give V8 a serious look see again and it is time for a
server upgrade as well. Can anyone provide feedback on server
specifications for a 50 user environment with 20 remote Citrix/TS users,
the database is Progress? In particular:

Use of MS Enterprise Server (for the added RAM).

Use of 64 bit Server (is this an option and does it increase
performance).

I realize client machines are key as well and we plan to work towards
DuoCore Intel processors and 2 GB Ram as a standard. Our infrastructure
is gigabit to the desktop.

I know the Epicor party line and we exceed that now and I would never
roll out this configuration due to latency issues.

Thanks for the input, in advance.....

Keith

PS I did try more ERM diagram work with Visio and if you have the time
it would work for diagramming the vantage database.

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Todd,



I didn't attend Perspectives this year, any word on 64bit OS options? I
see on the Progress site a list of certified 64bit platforms. MS Windows
is actually included as is the expected Linux, Sun and HP. Is it an
Epicor vantage issue or Open Edge issue?



Keith



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Selection



Also look closely at your network and the NICs in the client PCs. Once a
certain base level of server and client is hit the switches and NICs
begin to have a much greater impact. I've seen this even in 6.1 but at
Perspectives a common theme I was hearing was an appreciation for the
impact of the network and in particular the use (or better the
avoidance) of motherboard network interfaces on the clients. Even with
Gigabit to the desktop an odd NIC or driver miht not yeild anywhere near
that throughput.

Also..they said Progress was not ready for 64 bit yet and they had not
(then) blessed it running as a 32-bit app on a 64 bit server.

The Citrix/TS remote users should be on their own server and leave the
Vantage server exclusively for Vantage. Another Perspectives tip.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Server Selection

We are going to give V8 a serious look see again and it is time for a
server upgrade as well. Can anyone provide feedback on server
specifications for a 50 user environment with 20 remote Citrix/TS users,
the database is Progress? In particular:

Use of MS Enterprise Server (for the added RAM).

Use of 64 bit Server (is this an option and does it increase
performance).

I realize client machines are key as well and we plan to work towards
DuoCore Intel processors and 2 GB Ram as a standard. Our infrastructure
is gigabit to the desktop.

I know the Epicor party line and we exceed that now and I would never
roll out this configuration due to latency issues.

Thanks for the input, in advance.....

Keith

PS I did try more ERM diagram work with Visio and if you have the time
it would work for diagramming the vantage database.

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Todd,

I didn't attend Perspectives this year, any word on 64bit OS options? I
see on the Progress site a list of certified 64bit platforms. MS Windows
is actually included as is the expected Linux, Sun and HP. Is it an
Epicor vantage issue or Open Edge issue?

Keith



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The conversation in a session between Ben Nixon, Doug Williams and the Progress rep revolved around Progress not being optimized for 64bit and that it could probably be run in 32bit compatibility mode (like any 32bit app) but not receive any benefit from the 64bit architecture. Furthermore because of this Epicor was not fully condoning it...although they might be interested in someone trying it on a test server with a "real world" database. Personally I did not want to open opportunities for finger pointing and opted for 32bit Enterprise on our recent server upgrade. Then again, things may have changed since October.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Selection


Todd,

I didn't attend Perspectives this year, any word on 64bit OS options? I
see on the Progress site a list of certified 64bit platforms. MS Windows
is actually included as is the expected Linux, Sun and HP. Is it an
Epicor vantage issue or Open Edge issue?

Keith

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Selection

Also look closely at your network and the NICs in the client PCs. Once a
certain base level of server and client is hit the switches and NICs
begin to have a much greater impact. I've seen this even in 6.1 but at
Perspectives a common theme I was hearing was an appreciation for the
impact of the network and in particular the use (or better the
avoidance) of motherboard network interfaces on the clients. Even with
Gigabit to the desktop an odd NIC or driver miht not yeild anywhere near
that throughput.

Also..they said Progress was not ready for 64 bit yet and they had not
(then) blessed it running as a 32-bit app on a 64 bit server.

The Citrix/TS remote users should be on their own server and leave the
Vantage server exclusively for Vantage. Another Perspectives tip.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Server Selection

We are going to give V8 a serious look see again and it is time for a
server upgrade as well. Can anyone provide feedback on server
specifications for a 50 user environment with 20 remote Citrix/TS users,
the database is Progress? In particular:

Use of MS Enterprise Server (for the added RAM).

Use of 64 bit Server (is this an option and does it increase
performance).

I realize client machines are key as well and we plan to work towards
DuoCore Intel processors and 2 GB Ram as a standard. Our infrastructure
is gigabit to the desktop.

I know the Epicor party line and we exceed that now and I would never
roll out this configuration due to latency issues.

Thanks for the input, in advance.....

Keith

PS I did try more ERM diagram work with Visio and if you have the time
it would work for diagramming the vantage database.

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You may or may not have noticed, but the 8.03.404 now publishes in a
progress/linux 64 bit version.

8.03.404 has now been released in Progress/Linux 32, Progress/Linux 64,
SQL Server and SQL Server Unicode.

Posted as of 02/07/08:



8.03.400 - Daily Summary



Title

Help803404.EXE.aspx

SP803404-P.EXE.aspx

SP803404-P64.EXE.aspx

SP803404-S.EXE.aspx

SP803404-SU.EXE.aspx

ServicePackInstall_ChangeList_80...





From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:52 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] Server Selection



The conversation in a session between Ben Nixon, Doug Williams and the
Progress rep revolved around Progress not being optimized for 64bit and
that it could probably be run in 32bit compatibility mode (like any
32bit app) but not receive any benefit from the 64bit architecture.
Furthermore because of this Epicor was not fully condoning it...although
they might be interested in someone trying it on a test server with a
"real world" database. Personally I did not want to open opportunities
for finger pointing and opted for 32bit Enterprise on our recent server
upgrade. Then again, things may have changed since October.
-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Selection

Todd,

I didn't attend Perspectives this year, any word on 64bit OS options? I
see on the Progress site a list of certified 64bit platforms. MS Windows
is actually included as is the expected Linux, Sun and HP. Is it an
Epicor vantage issue or Open Edge issue?

Keith

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:13 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Server Selection

Also look closely at your network and the NICs in the client PCs. Once a
certain base level of server and client is hit the switches and NICs
begin to have a much greater impact. I've seen this even in 6.1 but at
Perspectives a common theme I was hearing was an appreciation for the
impact of the network and in particular the use (or better the
avoidance) of motherboard network interfaces on the clients. Even with
Gigabit to the desktop an odd NIC or driver miht not yeild anywhere near
that throughput.

Also..they said Progress was not ready for 64 bit yet and they had not
(then) blessed it running as a 32-bit app on a 64 bit server.

The Citrix/TS remote users should be on their own server and leave the
Vantage server exclusively for Vantage. Another Perspectives tip.

-Todd C.

________________________________
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<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
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On
Behalf Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 10:05 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Server Selection

We are going to give V8 a serious look see again and it is time for a
server upgrade as well. Can anyone provide feedback on server
specifications for a 50 user environment with 20 remote Citrix/TS users,
the database is Progress? In particular:

Use of MS Enterprise Server (for the added RAM).

Use of 64 bit Server (is this an option and does it increase
performance).

I realize client machines are key as well and we plan to work towards
DuoCore Intel processors and 2 GB Ram as a standard. Our infrastructure
is gigabit to the desktop.

I know the Epicor party line and we exceed that now and I would never
roll out this configuration due to latency issues.

Thanks for the input, in advance.....

Keith

PS I did try more ERM diagram work with Visio and if you have the time
it would work for diagramming the vantage database.

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