Shutting Down

system · December 1, 2005, 10:48am

LD,

Take a look at our web site, www.crestview-aerospace.com . Maybe we have an
opening in finance. We can't hire fast enough, 10 to 20 people a week. We
have very large contracts with facilities in Crestview, FL and our new start
up in Fairhope, AL.
Vantage experienced personnel is a valuable asset.

Kevin Kadamus
Director of IT
kkadamus@...
850-682-2746
Ext. 281

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
L.D. Eates
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:46 AM
To: Vantage (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Shutting Down

I'm the controller for Falcon Plastics in Washington Pa. We are closing
operations by the end of this year. We have already stopped production. We
are using Vantage 3.0, that's all we could afford to upgrade to. We ran a
standard cost system that worked very well for us. We just did not have a
good sales system. This board has been very good with info. Just reading
other peoples problems you learn a lot. If anybody in the Pittsburgh area is
looking for a person that uses Vantage or is into standard please e-mail me
offline. Thanks and good luck to all mfg's. It's a tough world out there..

L. D. Eates
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system · August 1, 2002, 8:22am

Does anybody have a problem with Vantage 5.0 shutting down at night when backvan.bat is running?

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system · August 1, 2002, 8:45am

No but if I did, I would first check to make sure I am running the backup in
"online" mode. I don't suppose it could be that straight forward?

Aaron Hoyt
Design Standards

-----Original Message-----
From: Rich Liedke [mailto:rliedke@...]
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 8:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Shutting Down

Does anybody have a problem with Vantage 5.0 shutting down at night when
backvan.bat is running?

system · August 1, 2002, 9:07am

At 08:22 AM 8/1/2002 -0400, you wrote:

>Does anybody have a problem with Vantage 5.0 shutting down at night when
>backvan.bat is running?

How much free space do you have? If you fill up all the disk space on the
partition you're dumping the image to, the DB will hang. (BTDT)

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338

system · August 1, 2002, 10:32am

If your full Server backup (ie. tape drive backup) tries to backup the epic50\vantage\db folder, that will shut down Vantage as well. It's not exactly what you're asking, but might be another avenue to check.

Troy Funte

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system · November 30, 2005, 11:46am

I'm the controller for Falcon Plastics in Washington Pa. We are closing
operations by the end of this year. We have already stopped production. We
are using Vantage 3.0, that's all we could afford to upgrade to. We ran a
standard cost system that worked very well for us. We just did not have a
good sales system. This board has been very good with info. Just reading
other peoples problems you learn a lot. If anybody in the Pittsburgh area is
looking for a person that uses Vantage or is into standard please e-mail me
offline. Thanks and good luck to all mfg's. It's a tough world out there..

L. D. Eates
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system · November 30, 2005, 3:31pm

I'm the controller for Falcon Plastics in Washington Pa. We are closing
operations by the end of this year. We have already stopped production. We
are using Vantage 3.0, that's all we could afford to upgrade to. We ran a
standard cost system that worked very well for us. We just did not have a
good sales system. This board has been very good with info. Just reading
other peoples problems you learn a lot. If anybody in the Pittsburgh area is
looking for a person that uses Vantage or is into standard please e-mail me
offline. Thanks and good luck to all mfg's. It's a tough world out there..

L. D. Eates

L.D.:

I am very sorry to hear of your job loss!

The Bush administration seems oblivious to the manufacturing (Made in the
USA) situation, especially in the Midwest. One of our bigger customers is
Delphi for-crying-out-loud! Being in manufacturing, I feel like our heads
are in a guillotine, just waiting every day for someone to flip the release.

Best of luck on your job search!

RG

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system · November 30, 2005, 3:43pm

Sorry too to hear about your job loss. I work in Grand Rapids...home to
Delphi. Yesterday the production workers at Delphi walked off the job
because Delphi is giving $500 Million dollars worth of bonuses to white
collar employees while asking the production workers to take a 60% pay
cut.

I just read that the average CEO of Fortune 500 companies makes $431.00
per every $1.00 made by it's production staff. That is what is wrong
with America. Goodbye middle class. You will either be ultra rich or
ultra poor....which way are you going to go?

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Gors
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Shutting Down

I'm the controller for Falcon Plastics in Washington Pa. We are closing
operations by the end of this year. We have already stopped production.
We are using Vantage 3.0, that's all we could afford to upgrade to. We
ran a standard cost system that worked very well for us. We just did not
have a good sales system. This board has been very good with info. Just
reading other peoples problems you learn a lot. If anybody in the
Pittsburgh area is looking for a person that uses Vantage or is into
standard please e-mail me offline. Thanks and good luck to all mfg's.
It's a tough world out there..

L. D. Eates

L.D.:

I am very sorry to hear of your job loss!

The Bush administration seems oblivious to the manufacturing (Made in
the
USA) situation, especially in the Midwest. One of our bigger customers
is Delphi for-crying-out-loud! Being in manufacturing, I feel like our
heads are in a guillotine, just waiting every day for someone to flip
the release.

Best of luck on your job search!

RG

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system · November 30, 2005, 5:28pm

Hang in there L.D. It's never pleasant to see a manufacturer go down but these things are cyclical. If the success of Epicor at selling systems is any gauge it would appear there actually are strong and growing manufacturers out there still willing to invest in technology. Economy, market, competition and management skills all play roles in which survive and which don't or are absorbed by the survivors. Been there a couple times when the water was coming over the railing. Only common thread was inept management but the root triggers were night and day different in each case. There are still opportunities out there in companies that are rooted in skills and brainpower. Locally here in Minnesota the tech schools can't pump out trained CNC Mill operators fast enough. Somebody is certainly manufacturing still.

As for pay disparity.....I think this too is cyclical. Usually a sign of major economic change. I have tried but can not find a chart of the spread from top to bottom in pay versus the economy (GDP change perhaps). I suspect it would revel that after times of turmoil (such as the .com crash) there are plenty of sinking ships and CEOs are demanding huge sums to either attempt to fix them or accept a temporary position (and black mark on their career) to scuttle them. Perverse irony them getting paid a premium while the actions they take at the other end only widen the gap - all the while Wall Street applauds the pay cuts and lay offs thus jacking up the stock options value widening the pay gap even more. Another factor...401(k) and IRA bloated funds who are the real owners but don't demand performance and governance. Anyone with a retirement account should be concerned about this disconnect. A tidbit I dug up from a web site: "compare S&P 500 returns since 1990 of a $10,000 initial investment to those of an equal portfolio invested every year in the company of the highest-paid CEO. The former portfolio would have risen to $48,350 by the end of 2004, six times the returns of the "Greedy CEO" portfolio, which would have fallen to $8,079." Oddly the pay gap really took off at about the same time as the establishment of IRAs and the rise of mutual funds. Once the fund managers find out the best thing they can do for their own performance is intelligently vote their proxies for mindful directors this will change.

But there are rays of hope....occasionally you hear of a corporation with a limit on the gap. I think I saw that Whole Foods Markets has a cap on CEO salary of 14 times the lowest paid employee. Best Buy's CEO recently gave 200,000 shares of stock options to outstanding non-management employees as performance awards. Company's that take care of their people survive. One reason why I think this gap thing is cyclical and will swing the other way making it easier for manufacturers in the U.S. (and other countries competing with low cost labor) to survive and thrive.

-Todd C.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Todd Hofert
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Shutting Down

Sorry too to hear about your job loss. I work in Grand Rapids...home to
Delphi. Yesterday the production workers at Delphi walked off the job
because Delphi is giving $500 Million dollars worth of bonuses to white
collar employees while asking the production workers to take a 60% pay
cut.

I just read that the average CEO of Fortune 500 companies makes $431.00
per every $1.00 made by it's production staff. That is what is wrong
with America. Goodbye middle class. You will either be ultra rich or
ultra poor....which way are you going to go?

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rick Gors
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Shutting Down

I'm the controller for Falcon Plastics in Washington Pa. We are closing
operations by the end of this year. We have already stopped production.
We are using Vantage 3.0, that's all we could afford to upgrade to. We
ran a standard cost system that worked very well for us. We just did not
have a good sales system. This board has been very good with info. Just
reading other peoples problems you learn a lot. If anybody in the
Pittsburgh area is looking for a person that uses Vantage or is into
standard please e-mail me offline. Thanks and good luck to all mfg's.
It's a tough world out there..

L. D. Eates

L.D.:

I am very sorry to hear of your job loss!

The Bush administration seems oblivious to the manufacturing (Made in
the
USA) situation, especially in the Midwest. One of our bigger customers
is Delphi for-crying-out-loud! Being in manufacturing, I feel like our
heads are in a guillotine, just waiting every day for someone to flip
the release.

Best of luck on your job search!

RG

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system · December 1, 2005, 3:49am

Rick,
Rick please feel free to stay on this list, and to use it as a
networking source. The group decided long ago that members facing job loss
could continue to remain on the list. A member's value does not end with
the loss of a position.

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Rick Gors
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Shutting Down

I'm the controller for Falcon Plastics in Washington Pa. We are closing
operations by the end of this year. We have already stopped production. We
are using Vantage 3.0, that's all we could afford to upgrade to. We ran a
standard cost system that worked very well for us. We just did not have a
good sales system. This board has been very good with info. Just reading
other peoples problems you learn a lot. If anybody in the Pittsburgh area is
looking for a person that uses Vantage or is into standard please e-mail me
offline. Thanks and good luck to all mfg's. It's a tough world out there..

L. D. Eates

L.D.:

I am very sorry to hear of your job loss!

The Bush administration seems oblivious to the manufacturing (Made in the
USA) situation, especially in the Midwest. One of our bigger customers is
Delphi for-crying-out-loud! Being in manufacturing, I feel like our heads
are in a guillotine, just waiting every day for someone to flip the release.

Best of luck on your job search!

RG

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system · December 1, 2005, 8:17am

Guess I did another "Shirley" . LD, the "stay on the list" message should
have been directed to you not Rick. That's what happens if you haven't
finished your first coffee. And Rick YOU'RE more than welcome to stay too.

Shirley

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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Shutting Down

Rick,
Rick please feel free to stay on this list, and to use it as a
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could continue to remain on the list. A member's value does not end with
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rick Gors
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Shutting Down

I'm the controller for Falcon Plastics in Washington Pa. We are closing
operations by the end of this year. We have already stopped production. We
are using Vantage 3.0, that's all we could afford to upgrade to. We ran a
standard cost system that worked very well for us. We just did not have a
good sales system. This board has been very good with info. Just reading
other peoples problems you learn a lot. If anybody in the Pittsburgh area is
looking for a person that uses Vantage or is into standard please e-mail me
offline. Thanks and good luck to all mfg's. It's a tough world out there..

L. D. Eates

L.D.:

I am very sorry to hear of your job loss!

The Bush administration seems oblivious to the manufacturing (Made in the
USA) situation, especially in the Midwest. One of our bigger customers is
Delphi for-crying-out-loud! Being in manufacturing, I feel like our heads
are in a guillotine, just waiting every day for someone to flip the release.

Best of luck on your job search!

RG

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