Soliciting Comments on Job Setup

Your new materials manager obviously has a great understanding of ERP
systems and that was why he was hired.... ;)
What a joke, things are going to get tough at your plant Shirley, hope
the SIDE B thinkers prevail, SIDE A is absolute madness.
Cheers
Stuart
I have complied many crystal reports and my users are able to run them from Vantage and export to Excel without any problems. However, my Terminal Server users are not able to export to excel. Has anyone run into this before?

TIA

Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
513-831-3211 ext 400
513-831-1209 fax
www.ColdJet.com
We are having a philosophical discussion regarding Job Setups and Bills.
Conditions: 1 or 2 level bills are the norm, 3 to 4 job operations are the
norm, Version 5.0

Side A:
Says that a part number needs to be created for each job step so that WIP
amounts processed can be tracked. IE; as part abc1 moves to operation 2 it
becomes part abc2, as it moves to operation 3 it becomes part ABC3 and so
on. This will necessitate the creation of a part number in the part master
for each process step, so that materials management will know how much
material is in each step.


Side B:
Says that creating part numbers for each process step is unnecessary because
Vantage will know through WIP reports how much is in each process step.
Creating additional part numbers will only complicate the process.


Which side is the most appropriate? What is the best way to determine how
much material is sitting at each process step? What are the ramifications
of creating part numbers for each process step?

Thanks
Shirley Graver
Rubber Associates Inc.

Tracking #: B2B6D53CD6228A42B4BB93244CD2DFBCE38E4516


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I have had the same experience. Since I am the only user using this, I have not tried to track it down. I assumed it was a problem with my install. Evidently not.

Bruce Butler
IT Manager
Knappe & Koester
bbutler@...


Message: 16
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 17:26:06 -0400
From: "Michelle de la Vega" <mdelavega@...>
Subject: Exporting Crystal Reports to Excel on TS

I have complied many crystal reports and my users are able to run them from Vantage and export to Excel without any problems. However, my Terminal Server users are not able to export to excel. Has anyone run into this before?

TIA

Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
513-831-3211 ext 400
513-831-1209 fax
www.ColdJet.com


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Hi Shirley,
I'm pretty sure Side B is the way to go. the other thing is that each
material on the jobs can be directly assigned to a specific operation. in
that way you can be sure exactly what is being used and at which point in
the overall process.
I think side A would drive you all crazy. It's a lot of extra work, and my
opinion would be that it would all be needless. Vantage does the work
already.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


We are having a philosophical discussion regarding Job Setups and Bills.
Conditions: 1 or 2 level bills are the norm, 3 to 4 job operations are the
norm, Version 5.0

Side A:
Says that a part number needs to be created for each job step so that WIP
amounts processed can be tracked. IE; as part abc1 moves to operation 2 it
becomes part abc2, as it moves to operation 3 it becomes part ABC3 and so
on. This will necessitate the creation of a part number in the part master
for each process step, so that materials management will know how much
material is in each step.


Side B:
Says that creating part numbers for each process step is unnecessary because
Vantage will know through WIP reports how much is in each process step.
Creating additional part numbers will only complicate the process.


Which side is the most appropriate? What is the best way to determine how
much material is sitting at each process step? What are the ramifications
of creating part numbers for each process step?

Thanks
Shirley Graver
Rubber Associates Inc.

Tracking #: B2B6D53CD6228A42B4BB93244CD2DFBCE38E4516


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If you were looking to poll people's opinions on this, I
ditto Rhonda.

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Sherer, Rhonda
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:18 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


Hi Shirley,
I'm pretty sure Side B is the way to go. the other thing
is that each
material on the jobs can be directly assigned to a
specific operation. in
that way you can be sure exactly what is being used and at
which point in
the overall process.
I think side A would drive you all crazy. It's a lot of
extra work, and my
opinion would be that it would all be needless. Vantage
does the work
already.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


We are having a philosophical discussion regarding Job
Setups and Bills.
Conditions: 1 or 2 level bills are the norm, 3 to 4 job
operations are the
norm, Version 5.0

Side A:
Says that a part number needs to be created for each job
step so that WIP
amounts processed can be tracked. IE; as part abc1 moves
to operation 2 it
becomes part abc2, as it moves to operation 3 it becomes
part ABC3 and so
on. This will necessitate the creation of a part number
in the part master
for each process step, so that materials management will
know how much
material is in each step.


Side B:
Says that creating part numbers for each process step is
unnecessary because
Vantage will know through WIP reports how much is in each
process step.
Creating additional part numbers will only complicate the
process.


Which side is the most appropriate? What is the best way
to determine how
much material is sitting at each process step? What are
the ramifications
of creating part numbers for each process step?

Thanks
Shirley Graver
Rubber Associates Inc.

Tracking #: B2B6D53CD6228A42B4BB93244CD2DFBCE38E4516


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Yes, I am trying to poll other uses. I have a new materials manager
that has limited my input in this area and has decided that after 6
months he knows Vantage better. Management does not seem to be hearing
me.

Shirley
You know, Shirley, you could always give him a test database
to show why his reasoning is just too cumbersome.

Then show how your reasoning makes more sense.

I've done this enough times in the past to show Management
the error of their ways.

Just a thought......

M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of shirleygraver
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup



Yes, I am trying to poll other uses. I have a new
materials manager
that has limited my input in this area and has decided
that after 6
months he knows Vantage better. Management does not seem
to be hearing
me.

Shirley





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Shirley,

If it would help, I'm sure that our material manager would discuss this with
him. He has seven years of Vantage.

My comment (with almost 10 years of Vantage experience, two implementations
of Vantage and 15 years of other software support under my belt) is this
(And I know you all know this already):

The purpose of the job is to show a roadmap of how to create a top assembly
part. During the manufacturing process, many materials and detail parts may
have to be bought/manufactured to create that top assembly. As someone else
said, Vantage keeps complete track of where you are on every job, which
materials and details are required, which have already been issued, how much
longer it will take to complete and ship. Changing the part number on every
operation is just going to muddy the water. If you are building a tuna
sandwich (one of my favorite examples), it takes bread, tuna, relish, mayo,
onion, garlic, tomato and lettuce. If you slice the tomato, it is still a
tomato, and still a component of the sandwich.

There are exceptions--for example if raw material is sent out for braze
prior to being put on the mill, we bring it in with a different part number,
since it has been altered. We do this because the material might sit
somewhere in a lot before being issued to a multitude of other jobs. In the
sandwich example, bread with mayo is still going to be with the original
traveler, waiting for tuna and so on so we don't call it braymo, it just
moves with all the other parts to the assembly area.

Sorry, people who try to make a complex process complicated for their own
agendas should seriously not be allowed to drive software.

Lydia


-----Original Message-----
From: shirleygraver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup




Yes, I am trying to poll other uses. I have a new materials manager
that has limited my input in this area and has decided that after 6
months he knows Vantage better. Management does not seem to be hearing
me.

Shirley





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His idea is ludicrous. Management always has a problem hearing a woman
over a man - or at least, that has been "my" experience. You need to
take some time and prepare a statement, in writing. If that does not
work, just forget it and don't sulk. Your time will come and they will
know you advised against it.



Good luck.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: shirleygraver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup




Yes, I am trying to poll other uses. I have a new materials manager
that has limited my input in this area and has decided that after 6
months he knows Vantage better. Management does not seem to be hearing
me.

Shirley





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Actually they don't listen to men either.



Mark



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Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:47 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup



His idea is ludicrous. Management always has a problem hearing a woman
over a man - or at least, that has been "my" experience. You need to
take some time and prepare a statement, in writing. If that does not
work, just forget it and don't sulk. Your time will come and they will
know you advised against it.



Good luck.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: shirleygraver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup




Yes, I am trying to poll other uses. I have a new materials manager
that has limited my input in this area and has decided that after 6
months he knows Vantage better. Management does not seem to be hearing
me.

Shirley





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I think you need to show them the side of Mistress Shirley they don't
normally see... Break the wip out... <old joke>


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Side B is definitely the way to go.

Unless, the purpose is to complicate the process to such a degree that no beneficial information can be gleaned, no one will understand anything, so they will blame Vantage and start looking for a new ERP system. If that's the desired end result. Then by all means go A!

One thing to consider would be to set up a test database with scenario A and have them run through a typical part. After they see all the transactions and parts that they will have to add they should be able to figure out for themselves that option A is system suicide.

Good Luck!

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


We are having a philosophical discussion regarding Job Setups and Bills.
Conditions: 1 or 2 level bills are the norm, 3 to 4 job operations are the
norm, Version 5.0

Side A:
Says that a part number needs to be created for each job step so that WIP
amounts processed can be tracked. IE; as part abc1 moves to operation 2 it
becomes part abc2, as it moves to operation 3 it becomes part ABC3 and so
on. This will necessitate the creation of a part number in the part master
for each process step, so that materials management will know how much
material is in each step.


Side B:
Says that creating part numbers for each process step is unnecessary because
Vantage will know through WIP reports how much is in each process step.
Creating additional part numbers will only complicate the process.


Which side is the most appropriate? What is the best way to determine how
much material is sitting at each process step? What are the ramifications
of creating part numbers for each process step?

Thanks
Shirley Graver
Rubber Associates Inc.

Tracking #: B2B6D53CD6228A42B4BB93244CD2DFBCE38E4516


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If I were you I would ask him what specific information he is trying to get
for each operation and then show him how easy it will be to get it without
changing part# at each step. To be honest, I wouldn't even know how to go
about doing that, I don't think Vantage is even set up for that. If you
show him that he can get what he needs without doing that extra work, he
should (hopefully) buy in.


-----Original Message-----
From: shirleygraver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


Yes, I am trying to poll other uses. I have a new materials manager
that has limited my input in this area and has decided that after 6
months he knows Vantage better. Management does not seem to be hearing
me.

Shirley
Sarah is correct in that Vantage really isn't set up for this. In essence you would have a job for each operation.

Would not be fun...

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of sarah.vareschi@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


If I were you I would ask him what specific information he is trying to get
for each operation and then show him how easy it will be to get it without
changing part# at each step. To be honest, I wouldn't even know how to go
about doing that, I don't think Vantage is even set up for that. If you
show him that he can get what he needs without doing that extra work, he
should (hopefully) buy in.


-----Original Message-----
From: shirleygraver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


Yes, I am trying to poll other uses. I have a new materials manager
that has limited my input in this area and has decided that after 6
months he knows Vantage better. Management does not seem to be hearing
me.

Shirley


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For purely WIP it would be relatively easy with RB (or Crystal) to watch the costs at various levels. I guess my first question though on a part numbering scheme would be whether the sub-assembly parts are ever put into stock for later final assembly or if they would ever be sold as repair/replacement parts. If neither of these situations apply then there would be no need for seperate part numbers at all. The added complexity would have no benefit.
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


We are having a philosophical discussion regarding Job Setups and Bills.
Conditions: 1 or 2 level bills are the norm, 3 to 4 job operations are the
norm, Version 5.0

Side A:
Says that a part number needs to be created for each job step so that WIP
amounts processed can be tracked. IE; as part abc1 moves to operation 2 it
becomes part abc2, as it moves to operation 3 it becomes part ABC3 and so
on. This will necessitate the creation of a part number in the part master
for each process step, so that materials management will know how much
material is in each step.


Side B:
Says that creating part numbers for each process step is unnecessary because
Vantage will know through WIP reports how much is in each process step.
Creating additional part numbers will only complicate the process.


Which side is the most appropriate? What is the best way to determine how
much material is sitting at each process step? What are the ramifications
of creating part numbers for each process step?

Thanks
Shirley Graver
Rubber Associates Inc.

Tracking #: B2B6D53CD6228A42B4BB93244CD2DFBCE38E4516


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the busy-work would be unimaginable. It makes me ill to think of it. I can
only see chaos and clogged processes.
I would quit. No one would be pleased. Grouchy people everywhere.
Your production staff can't buy into this can they?

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Lowe [mailto:MLowe@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 10:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup




Sarah is correct in that Vantage really isn't set up for this. In essence
you would have a job for each operation.

Would not be fun...

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of
sarah.vareschi@...
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


If I were you I would ask him what specific information he is trying to get
for each operation and then show him how easy it will be to get it without
changing part# at each step. To be honest, I wouldn't even know how to go
about doing that, I don't think Vantage is even set up for that. If you
show him that he can get what he needs without doing that extra work, he
should (hopefully) buy in.


-----Original Message-----
From: shirleygraver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 8:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


Yes, I am trying to poll other uses. I have a new materials manager
that has limited my input in this area and has decided that after 6
months he knows Vantage better. Management does not seem to be hearing
me.

Shirley


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I vote for B -- if anyone wants to see what material is on each assembly
they can just run the production detail report.

Sandy Morse
BVR Technologies Company
815-874-2471 x112
UFFDA!
I've used Vantage for a total of about 10 years at 2 different companies
and Side A made me shudder! I'm currently at a medical company, and we LOVE
to make things as complicated as possible, and WE haven't even considered
that!

You asked "What are the ramifications of creating part numbers for each
process step?" I can think of a few...

Number 1:
How does he propose to make Vantage change part numbers at every step?
Maybe I'm blanking out a third option, but the only two ways I can think of
to change part numbers at a manufacturing operation are to make EVERY
operation step a subassembly of the one before, or to make every step a
different job--both options sound like a nightmare to me!! Plus, you said
you have some 2 level BOMS, you would lose the obvious manufacturing levels
of those BOMS--they'd only be visible by part numbers or prints. Besides,
your production controller might have something to say when they find out
how much extra job paperwork they would have to do.

Number 2:
How does he proprose to "define" each of these part numbers?
By this I mean----Generally at most companies, each part number is defined
by a print, specification or something else that says "this is the criteria
this part needs to meet when you have completed the operations to create
it". This will obviously depend on how your company defines part numbers.
My company would have to have a print or a material specification, and
inspection documents for every part number. Once again, a complete
paperwork nightmare for Quality and Engineering if they had to create
something for every operation. Also depending on if you're certified to
something (ISO 9000, etc.) your Quality Group might also have some input on
what he would need to have for each part number to be "legal" within your
Quality system--this might dissuade him, as well :-)


In general, we usually only create manufactured part numbers for three
reasons...
1. If it makes sense to stock at that level (i.e. common part that can be
used on multiple parts)
2. It makes sense to break up the manufacturing so we can define what it
should be at that level (i.e. we manufacture components in one area, and
assemble them in another. We have separate part numbers for the
manufactured components because we want to make sure that they meet certain
criteria, like a subassembly drawing, before they go on to be assembled.)
3. Finished goods part number to sell to the customer.

Hope this helps! (Sorry for the long-windedness!)

Amy O'Malley
Manufacturing Process Engineer
Synovis Interventional Solutions
Lino Lakes, MN
omaLL004@...




-----Original Message-----
From: Shirley Graver [mailto:shirleyg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Soliciting Comments on Job Setup


We are having a philosophical discussion regarding Job Setups and Bills.
Conditions: 1 or 2 level bills are the norm, 3 to 4 job operations are the
norm, Version 5.0

Side A:
Says that a part number needs to be created for each job step so that WIP
amounts processed can be tracked. IE; as part abc1 moves to operation 2 it
becomes part abc2, as it moves to operation 3 it becomes part ABC3 and so
on. This will necessitate the creation of a part number in the part master
for each process step, so that materials management will know how much
material is in each step.

What are the ramifications
of creating part numbers for each process step?

Thanks
Shirley Graver
Rubber Associates Inc.
It looks like this has been beat up already. Side B.... no brainer.

Shawn Sims
Business Applications Manager
Hydromat Inc.
314-432-0070 x4646


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Shirley Graver
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 6:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Soliciting Comments on Job Setup



We are having a philosophical discussion regarding Job Setups and Bills.
Conditions: 1 or 2 level bills are the norm, 3 to 4 job operations are the
norm, Version 5.0

Side A:
Says that a part number needs to be created for each job step so that WIP
amounts processed can be tracked. IE; as part abc1 moves to operation 2 it
becomes part abc2, as it moves to operation 3 it becomes part ABC3 and so
on. This will necessitate the creation of a part number in the part master
for each process step, so that materials management will know how much
material is in each step.


Side B:
Says that creating part numbers for each process step is unnecessary because
Vantage will know through WIP reports how much is in each process step.
Creating additional part numbers will only complicate the process.


Which side is the most appropriate? What is the best way to determine how
much material is sitting at each process step? What are the ramifications
of creating part numbers for each process step?

Thanks
Shirley Graver
Rubber Associates Inc.

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