Trying to improve/remove a purchasing work around

Our company is on version 9.05.606 and our situation sounds similar to yours with regards to the BOM not ready completely before requiring to purchase some materials. I am not familiar with 8.03.305, but we use requisitions for this. It adds the material to the job without requiring the PO to be edited afterword. We also import our BOM directly into the job(We do not engineer each manufactured part with a BOM), not sure if that is your plan or not. Since we use the requisitions, we just need to create the job so material can be purchased to it. This has helped in our situation, but I am not sure of your version's capabilities. Do you have requisitions in your version?

Jake

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Mark Tellefson <mtellefson@...> wrote:
>
> We are on 8.03.305 but working on our transition to 9. Up to this point we do not rely on Vantage for inventory information. We only have full bill of materials on 80 to 90% of our projects so we haven't worried about how our manual system affects those levels. We are getting closer but until it is made a priority from top mgmt I don't see how to make it work. We are in the middle of a record breaking year which makes it hard to implement any changes but at the same time shows the absolute reason we need these systems in place. We have a meeting tomorrow morning to address the timing of the BOM creation. My thought is that if we are just dealing with a handful of long lead time parts that those could be put into the job right away and the remaining purchasing could be put in after the BOM hits the job. We are setting up some jobs on a temporary database to test this process and see if we can change the existing POs to point to the lines created from the BOM.
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of that_guyy
> Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:49 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Trying to improve/remove a purchasing work around
>
>
>
> Does the 'manual' way work well? If so, how is it done, what are the inputs and rules?
> I suspect its a min/max type of deal. I would wager that vantage can handle this for you, but you MUST enter ALL planning parameters into your system:
> Min, max, reorder to max, lead times, days of supply, min order qty, supplier price lists, to name a few. Just like it took time and many failed attempts to get your current manual process working, it will take effort, understanding and times to get the part planning parameyers right so vantage works for you. Dont lose hope, it could take a year to get things straight. What version are you on?
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Mark" <mtellefson@<mailto:mtellefson@>> wrote:
> >
> > We are getting ready to test that. Seems like the best answer to me too but the users say that some of the items are left off of the model in Solidworks which is imported into Vantage. This may lead to missed items. I still think it is the cleanest way to do it but just wondering if there were any other options.
> >
> > --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Brian Roberts" <broberts@> wrote:
> > >
> > > How about stocking the part in inventory? Make the PO to inventory,
> > > then issue from inventory to the job. This will let you play around
> > > with minimum inventory quantity & lead time & automatic reordering...
> > > which I assume is what that manual system is doing for you now.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Brian.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> > > Of Mark
> > > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:03 AM
> > > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Subject: [Vantage] Trying to improve/remove a purchasing work around
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Due to the complexity or our BOM and long lead times on some of our
> > > purchased items we created a work around for purchasing directly to the
> > > job. When the job is created, a "purch mtl" material line is added with
> > > a required quantity of 99,999. All purchasing is done against that line.
> > > When the BOM is added later, our costing person has to remove any
> > > duplicates between the purchasing and BOM. There are 2 reasons for this:
> > > 1) If we waited for the BOM to be entered we wouldn't have the purchased
> > > item in time. 2) Our existing purchasing person was allowed to stick
> > > with his manual systems so he wouldn't trust a computer to tell him what
> > > to purchase and when. He is retiring at the end of the year and the new
> > > guy is exited about getting the system to work.
> > >
> > > Is there any other way of handling these long lead time items that have
> > > to get in before the BOM?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
>
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Due to the complexity or our BOM and long lead times on some of our purchased items we created a work around for purchasing directly to the job. When the job is created, a "purch mtl" material line is added with a required quantity of 99,999. All purchasing is done against that line. When the BOM is added later, our costing person has to remove any duplicates between the purchasing and BOM. There are 2 reasons for this: 1) If we waited for the BOM to be entered we wouldn't have the purchased item in time. 2) Our existing purchasing person was allowed to stick with his manual systems so he wouldn't trust a computer to tell him what to purchase and when. He is retiring at the end of the year and the new guy is exited about getting the system to work.

Is there any other way of handling these long lead time items that have to get in before the BOM?
How about stocking the part in inventory? Make the PO to inventory,
then issue from inventory to the job. This will let you play around
with minimum inventory quantity & lead time & automatic reordering...
which I assume is what that manual system is doing for you now.



Brian.



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mark
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:03 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Trying to improve/remove a purchasing work around





Due to the complexity or our BOM and long lead times on some of our
purchased items we created a work around for purchasing directly to the
job. When the job is created, a "purch mtl" material line is added with
a required quantity of 99,999. All purchasing is done against that line.
When the BOM is added later, our costing person has to remove any
duplicates between the purchasing and BOM. There are 2 reasons for this:
1) If we waited for the BOM to be entered we wouldn't have the purchased
item in time. 2) Our existing purchasing person was allowed to stick
with his manual systems so he wouldn't trust a computer to tell him what
to purchase and when. He is retiring at the end of the year and the new
guy is exited about getting the system to work.

Is there any other way of handling these long lead time items that have
to get in before the BOM?



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
We are getting ready to test that. Seems like the best answer to me too but the users say that some of the items are left off of the model in Solidworks which is imported into Vantage. This may lead to missed items. I still think it is the cleanest way to do it but just wondering if there were any other options.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Roberts" <broberts@...> wrote:
>
> How about stocking the part in inventory? Make the PO to inventory,
> then issue from inventory to the job. This will let you play around
> with minimum inventory quantity & lead time & automatic reordering...
> which I assume is what that manual system is doing for you now.
>
>
>
> Brian.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mark
> Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:03 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Trying to improve/remove a purchasing work around
>
>
>
>
>
> Due to the complexity or our BOM and long lead times on some of our
> purchased items we created a work around for purchasing directly to the
> job. When the job is created, a "purch mtl" material line is added with
> a required quantity of 99,999. All purchasing is done against that line.
> When the BOM is added later, our costing person has to remove any
> duplicates between the purchasing and BOM. There are 2 reasons for this:
> 1) If we waited for the BOM to be entered we wouldn't have the purchased
> item in time. 2) Our existing purchasing person was allowed to stick
> with his manual systems so he wouldn't trust a computer to tell him what
> to purchase and when. He is retiring at the end of the year and the new
> guy is exited about getting the system to work.
>
> Is there any other way of handling these long lead time items that have
> to get in before the BOM?
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Does the 'manual' way work well? If so, how is it done, what are the inputs and rules?
I suspect its a min/max type of deal. I would wager that vantage can handle this for you, but you MUST enter ALL planning parameters into your system:
Min, max, reorder to max, lead times, days of supply, min order qty, supplier price lists, to name a few. Just like it took time and many failed attempts to get your current manual process working, it will take effort, understanding and times to get the part planning parameyers right so vantage works for you. Dont lose hope, it could take a year to get things straight. What version are you on?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Mark" <mtellefson@...> wrote:
>
> We are getting ready to test that. Seems like the best answer to me too but the users say that some of the items are left off of the model in Solidworks which is imported into Vantage. This may lead to missed items. I still think it is the cleanest way to do it but just wondering if there were any other options.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Roberts" <broberts@> wrote:
> >
> > How about stocking the part in inventory? Make the PO to inventory,
> > then issue from inventory to the job. This will let you play around
> > with minimum inventory quantity & lead time & automatic reordering...
> > which I assume is what that manual system is doing for you now.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Mark
> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:03 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Vantage] Trying to improve/remove a purchasing work around
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Due to the complexity or our BOM and long lead times on some of our
> > purchased items we created a work around for purchasing directly to the
> > job. When the job is created, a "purch mtl" material line is added with
> > a required quantity of 99,999. All purchasing is done against that line.
> > When the BOM is added later, our costing person has to remove any
> > duplicates between the purchasing and BOM. There are 2 reasons for this:
> > 1) If we waited for the BOM to be entered we wouldn't have the purchased
> > item in time. 2) Our existing purchasing person was allowed to stick
> > with his manual systems so he wouldn't trust a computer to tell him what
> > to purchase and when. He is retiring at the end of the year and the new
> > guy is exited about getting the system to work.
> >
> > Is there any other way of handling these long lead time items that have
> > to get in before the BOM?
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
We are on 8.03.305 but working on our transition to 9. Up to this point we do not rely on Vantage for inventory information. We only have full bill of materials on 80 to 90% of our projects so we haven't worried about how our manual system affects those levels. We are getting closer but until it is made a priority from top mgmt I don't see how to make it work. We are in the middle of a record breaking year which makes it hard to implement any changes but at the same time shows the absolute reason we need these systems in place. We have a meeting tomorrow morning to address the timing of the BOM creation. My thought is that if we are just dealing with a handful of long lead time parts that those could be put into the job right away and the remaining purchasing could be put in after the BOM hits the job. We are setting up some jobs on a temporary database to test this process and see if we can change the existing POs to point to the lines created from the BOM.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of that_guyy
Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2011 8:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Trying to improve/remove a purchasing work around



Does the 'manual' way work well? If so, how is it done, what are the inputs and rules?
I suspect its a min/max type of deal. I would wager that vantage can handle this for you, but you MUST enter ALL planning parameters into your system:
Min, max, reorder to max, lead times, days of supply, min order qty, supplier price lists, to name a few. Just like it took time and many failed attempts to get your current manual process working, it will take effort, understanding and times to get the part planning parameyers right so vantage works for you. Dont lose hope, it could take a year to get things straight. What version are you on?

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Mark" <mtellefson@...<mailto:mtellefson@...>> wrote:
>
> We are getting ready to test that. Seems like the best answer to me too but the users say that some of the items are left off of the model in Solidworks which is imported into Vantage. This may lead to missed items. I still think it is the cleanest way to do it but just wondering if there were any other options.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Brian Roberts" <broberts@> wrote:
> >
> > How about stocking the part in inventory? Make the PO to inventory,
> > then issue from inventory to the job. This will let you play around
> > with minimum inventory quantity & lead time & automatic reordering...
> > which I assume is what that manual system is doing for you now.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> > Of Mark
> > Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:03 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Trying to improve/remove a purchasing work around
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Due to the complexity or our BOM and long lead times on some of our
> > purchased items we created a work around for purchasing directly to the
> > job. When the job is created, a "purch mtl" material line is added with
> > a required quantity of 99,999. All purchasing is done against that line.
> > When the BOM is added later, our costing person has to remove any
> > duplicates between the purchasing and BOM. There are 2 reasons for this:
> > 1) If we waited for the BOM to be entered we wouldn't have the purchased
> > item in time. 2) Our existing purchasing person was allowed to stick
> > with his manual systems so he wouldn't trust a computer to tell him what
> > to purchase and when. He is retiring at the end of the year and the new
> > guy is exited about getting the system to work.
> >
> > Is there any other way of handling these long lead time items that have
> > to get in before the BOM?
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>

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