Vantage Key

I have been out of town and just reviewed my email this morning. I
personally have been in the Vantage market 8 years, long enough to know the
old time customers, and we had an assistant to do market research for us
over the summer/fall. Our Vantage database has been accumulated over the
last 4 1/2 years that we have been in business.

For the record, we have not nor would we purchase a list of customer names
from anyone. Epicor would never sell their Vantage customer information and
we would never risk our reputation by purchasing this information from other
less credible sources.

Purchasing the member list from the Vantage eGroup has never been an option.
As a eGroup Moderator of another list your information is only stored with
the list if you entered a public profile, which most users do not. The
Vantage eGroup Moderators have gone one step further and secured your email
addresses so a user can view all members with only a partial email address.

Anyone with additional questions on this topic please contact me off line.

Katharine Barry
Barry Consulting Group
98 Main Street, # 353
Tiburon CA 94920
Phone 877.977.3400, Fax 415.789.9425
Email: kbarry@...
http://www.barryconsulting.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike England [mailto:mike@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 12:45 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage Key



>I finally got that key in the mail that you all were talking about a few
>weeks back. Was the final decision that it came from someone who bought
our
>names and information from the listserv? Mine came from Barry Consulting
>Group out of California.


As I have stated unequivocably in the past, the information that you have
stored in egroups is confidential. Period. NO one bought the names and
information from the list. We do not do that, and will not do that. I am
offended by the implication; much time and effort has been put into
keeping
this list private and safe.

Barry Consulting is a member of this list, and that is where the mailing
have come from. Katie, would you please address how list members are
getting mailings from your company?

Mike England
List Moderator and List Owner


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I finally got that key in the mail that you all were talking about a few
weeks back. Was the final decision that it came from someone who bought our
names and information from the listserv? Mine came from Barry Consulting
Group out of California.

Wierd

Jim MacMillan
System Administrator
Sales/Marketing
Scientific Dimensions
800-523-6180
jimmac@...
I got one today also.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim MacMillan [SMTP:jimmac@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:37 PM
To: Vantage Listserv
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage Key

I finally got that key in the mail that you all were talking
about a few
weeks back. Was the final decision that it came from someone
who bought our
names and information from the listserv? Mine came from Barry
Consulting
Group out of California.

Wierd

Jim MacMillan
System Administrator
Sales/Marketing
Scientific Dimensions
800-523-6180
jimmac@...


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Jim,

Your address does not exist as part of the Vantage list ! Anywhere ! We
could not sell it if we wanted to.

Of course, many people list their addresses and phone #'s on their emails
which sort of gives things away.

By the way, I received my key about 3 or 4 months ago ... The mail must be
very slow in your part of the universe.

Oh, and if there is anyone out there who would like to purchase Jim
MacMillan's phone number I would be happy to provide it for a nominal
charge....

Todd Anderson
List Moderator

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim MacMillan [mailto:jimmac@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:37 PM
To: Vantage Listserv
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage Key


I finally got that key in the mail that you all were talking about a few
weeks back. Was the final decision that it came from someone who bought our
names and information from the listserv? Mine came from Barry Consulting
Group out of California.

Wierd

Jim MacMillan
System Administrator
Sales/Marketing
Scientific Dimensions
800-523-6180
jimmac@...



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-----Original Message-----
From: Jim MacMillan [mailto:jimmac@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:37 PM
To: Vantage Listserv
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage Key


I finally got that key in the mail that you all were talking about a few
weeks back. Was the final decision that it came from someone who bought
our
names and information from the listserv? Mine came from Barry Consulting
Group out of California.

Wierd

Jim MacMillan
System Administrator
Sales/Marketing
Scientific Dimensions
800-523-6180
jimmac@...


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I just got the Barry Consulting key today too. I'm guessing they got our names from Epicor? Maybe they got the Company names from the Egroups mail list, and looked them up using an Internet phone book. Most companies are listed.

John Mueske
IS Manager
Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc.
SBS 4.5 - Vantage 3.00.632


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim MacMillan [mailto:jimmac@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:37 PM
To: Vantage Listserv
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage Key


I finally got that key in the mail that you all were talking about a few
weeks back. Was the final decision that it came from someone who bought our
names and information from the listserv? Mine came from Barry Consulting
Group out of California.

Wierd

Jim MacMillan
System Administrator
Sales/Marketing
Scientific Dimensions
800-523-6180
jimmac@...



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This topic was pretty well hashed over about one month ago. The following
post from Mike England back then might shed some light again. Todd C.
------------- copy of earlier post ----------

No, our contact information has not been sold, and will NOT be. Katherine
Barry is a member of this list, as are many consultants, and she has
contributed frequently and added much value to this list.

Many of you sign your posts with company names, phones numbers, etc, like
the post to which I am responding. If you're concerned about unsolicited
snail mail, please change your signatories. Consultants are encouraged to
respond to a post for help when they feel they can offer help; these posts
are to be off-list, direct to the party that posted. If there is ever a
case of unsolicited email (ie - you have not asked for help in a post to the
list) from a Vantage consultant associated with this list that is clearly an
advertisment for business, please contact me or another of our moderators
IMMEDIATELY and forward a copy!

Mike England
List Moderator




-----Original Message-----
From: Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc. [mailto:hiattmfg@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 2:25 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Vantage Key


I just got the Barry Consulting key today too. I'm guessing they got our
names from Epicor? Maybe they got the Company names from the Egroups mail
list, and looked them up using an Internet phone book. Most companies are
listed.

John Mueske
IS Manager
Hiatt Manufacturing, Inc.
SBS 4.5 - Vantage 3.00.632


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim MacMillan [mailto:jimmac@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 1:37 PM
To: Vantage Listserv
Subject: [Vantage] Vantage Key


I finally got that key in the mail that you all were talking about a few
weeks back. Was the final decision that it came from someone who bought
our
names and information from the listserv? Mine came from Barry Consulting
Group out of California.

Wierd

Jim MacMillan
System Administrator
Sales/Marketing
Scientific Dimensions
800-523-6180
jimmac@...



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>I finally got that key in the mail that you all were talking about a few
>weeks back. Was the final decision that it came from someone who bought
our
>names and information from the listserv? Mine came from Barry Consulting
>Group out of California.


As I have stated unequivocably in the past, the information that you have
stored in egroups is confidential. Period. NO one bought the names and
information from the list. We do not do that, and will not do that. I am
offended by the implication; much time and effort has been put into keeping
this list private and safe.

Barry Consulting is a member of this list, and that is where the mailing
have come from. Katie, would you please address how list members are
getting mailings from your company?

Mike England
List Moderator and List Owner
Concerning the mailing lists, I would be amazed if Epicor provided Barry
consulting with a mailing list. As a consultant and provider, I can assure
you that there are companies that sell mailing lists of clients that use x
brand of software, etc. Now, the accuracy of those lists is another story.

Keith E. Taylor
Vice President
LBSi
Business Systems Consultants (Progress based ERP packages)
216/476-1416 ext 26
keith@...
Who cares about "The Key" or where it came from. Just ditch it!



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WOW....sorry to offend you list moderators.....

I didnt read any of those postings from a month or so ago, which is why I
asked the question of what was the final verdict. I didnt say it was, I
merely asked if that was the case. I didnt mean to be the source for all
this again, sorry.

Jim MacMillan
System Administrator
Sales/Marketing
Scientific Dimensions
800-523-6180
jimmac@...
amen

Terry L. Williams I.S. Manager Chipsco, Inc. 9936 Liberty St. Ext.
Meadville, PA 16335 814-333-6331 x236 fax: 814-337-2548 tlw@...
www.chipsco.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Lipham [mailto:paull@...]
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2001 4:15 PM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Vantage Key

Who cares about "The Key" or where it came from. Just ditch it!



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