Anyone upgraded to 5.1?

You asked for it Wayne, so here goes ... We are still on 3.0 but considering
the jump straight to 5.0 in the near future. Why are we still on 3.0?

We were burned very badly by going from 2.5 to 2.7 within days of its
release. No testing, nothing - just install the update. We were a young
company and fairly new Vantage user so we figured it was the same as
upgrading from Office 95 to Office 97 not knowing any better. Nope, without
too much detail there were many functionality issues that hurt us for weeks
until the first patches started coming out.

We weren't burned as badly on 3.0. We got a new server and had it installed
for "testing" for a few months before going live, but we really didn't do
the extensive testing that we should have. We went live and again had a lot
of issues that hurt us until some patches started coming out.

Then a user group was formed within easy day-trip distance and we learned of
the One List and subscribed. We had no intentions of going to 4.0 until the
good word was given, which occured about 7 months after release. Then we
started considering the switch but 5.0 was on the horizon so why not wait.
Same thing with 5.0, came out with a lot of problems and we weren't
switching until the good word was given on the Yahoo group.

I would say it took us a good 6 months of patches and tech support to get
everything to where we are today with 3.0, which is everyone working
smoothly on Vantage with no major problems from day to day. It is mainly
that reason we haven't really switched - If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
We realize there is functionality to be gained by upgrading, but
unfortunately we didn't think the hassle was worth the gain.

That brings us to now. We are still on 3.0 live but I have 5.0 running on a
test server for about 6 months. We haven't really done much testing with it
because we haven't really made the committment to upgrade yet. I think that
is coming in the next few weeks. What a great Christmas present - a two
version Vantage upgrade.

Rick

> B.S. I Say!! It sounds like fewer than 20 or the 800 or so
> here have gone beyond 4.0? Anyone have an accurate census? And if you're

> still back at 3.0 or earlier, why is that? No maintenance, or some other
issue?
>
> -Wayne Cox
Has anyone made 5.1 fully operational? If so, any large issues?
Impressions? Comments.....

Regards,

Darren Mann
Miller Products Co.
Go for it, DAN!!!! We're behind you all the way ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Mann [mailto:dmann@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Vantage User Group (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


Has anyone made 5.1 fully operational? If so, any large issues?
Impressions? Comments.....

Regards,

Darren Mann
Miller Products Co.


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I ment D-Mann..... excuse the typo...

-----Original Message-----
From: Thad Jacobs [mailto:tjacobs@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:14 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


Go for it, DAN!!!! We're behind you all the way ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Mann [mailto:dmann@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Vantage User Group (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


Has anyone made 5.1 fully operational? If so, any large issues?
Impressions? Comments.....

Regards,

Darren Mann
Miller Products Co.


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in a kitty and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.

Troy Funte
----- Original Message -----
From: Thad Jacobs
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


Go for it, DAN!!!! We're behind you all the way ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Mann [mailto:dmann@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Vantage User Group (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


Has anyone made 5.1 fully operational? If so, any large issues?
Impressions? Comments.....

Regards,

Darren Mann
Miller Products Co.


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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Thanks fellas!!! No thanks, even if you double-dog dare me....

Darren

-----Original Message-----
From: Troy Funte [mailto:tfunte@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 11:28 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in a kitty
and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.

Troy Funte
----- Original Message -----
From: Thad Jacobs
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 12:14 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


Go for it, DAN!!!! We're behind you all the way ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Darren Mann [mailto:dmann@...]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 10:50 AM
To: Vantage User Group (E-mail)
Subject: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


Has anyone made 5.1 fully operational? If so, any large issues?
Impressions? Comments.....

Regards,

Darren Mann
Miller Products Co.


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
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At 12:27 PM 10/25/2001 , you wrote:
>Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in a kitty
>and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.

So does anyone have a true head count of the number of sites / customers
running the different versions?

We had an Epicor consultant in Mon & Tues (Dave Schlafman) who just kept
going on and on about how we really needed to upgrade from 4 to 5.0 or even
5.1. Then claimed in from of my boss and the other management that "at
least 80% of the customers are already upgraded to 5.0".

B.S. I Say!! It sounds like fewer than 20 or the 800 or so here have gone
beyond 4.0? Anyone have an accurate census? And if you're still back at
3.0 or earlier, why is that? No maintenance, or some other issue?

-Wayne Cox
I have been on 5.0 since may, see no reason not to jump.

Patrick Winter
sSc Specialty Screw Corporation
Vantage 5.00.317, Progress 9.1a


-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@...]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:54 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


At 12:27 PM 10/25/2001 , you wrote:
>Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in a kitty
>and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.

So does anyone have a true head count of the number of sites / customers
running the different versions?

We had an Epicor consultant in Mon & Tues (Dave Schlafman) who just kept
going on and on about how we really needed to upgrade from 4 to 5.0 or even
5.1. Then claimed in from of my boss and the other management that "at
least 80% of the customers are already upgraded to 5.0".

B.S. I Say!! It sounds like fewer than 20 or the 800 or so here have gone
beyond 4.0? Anyone have an accurate census? And if you're still back at
3.0 or earlier, why is that? No maintenance, or some other issue?

-Wayne Cox






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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Well, Wayne, we were one of the holdouts on 4.0, until last week. We, too,
have migrated to 5.0.
Are you surveying? Unless support is publishing stats, I'm not sure where
else you would be able to gather that info.

Deb
Reeder & Kline

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@...]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:54 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


At 12:27 PM 10/25/2001 , you wrote:
>Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in a kitty
>and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.

So does anyone have a true head count of the number of sites / customers
running the different versions?

We had an Epicor consultant in Mon & Tues (Dave Schlafman) who just kept
going on and on about how we really needed to upgrade from 4 to 5.0 or even
5.1. Then claimed in from of my boss and the other management that "at
least 80% of the customers are already upgraded to 5.0".

B.S. I Say!! It sounds like fewer than 20 or the 800 or so here have gone
beyond 4.0? Anyone have an accurate census? And if you're still back at
3.0 or earlier, why is that? No maintenance, or some other issue?

-Wayne Cox





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Sounds like a good subject for a poll.........

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@...]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:54 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


At 12:27 PM 10/25/2001 , you wrote:
>Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in a kitty
>and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.

So does anyone have a true head count of the number of sites / customers
running the different versions?

We had an Epicor consultant in Mon & Tues (Dave Schlafman) who just kept
going on and on about how we really needed to upgrade from 4 to 5.0 or even
5.1. Then claimed in from of my boss and the other management that "at
least 80% of the customers are already upgraded to 5.0".

B.S. I Say!! It sounds like fewer than 20 or the 800 or so here have gone
beyond 4.0? Anyone have an accurate census? And if you're still back at
3.0 or earlier, why is that? No maintenance, or some other issue?

-Wayne Cox






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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We have been on 5.0 for 10 months.



Ron Newell
IT/MIS
Neon Products
1695 Sargent Ave.
Winnipeg, MB R3H 0C4

http://www.neon-products.com/
mailto:rnewell@...

-----Original Message-----
From: Winter, Patrick [mailto:pjw@...]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:56 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?

I have been on 5.0 since may, see no reason not to jump.

Patrick Winter
sSc Specialty Screw Corporation
Vantage 5.00.317, Progress 9.1a


-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@...]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:54 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


At 12:27 PM 10/25/2001 , you wrote:
>Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in a kitty
>and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.

So does anyone have a true head count of the number of sites / customers
running the different versions?

We had an Epicor consultant in Mon & Tues (Dave Schlafman) who just kept
going on and on about how we really needed to upgrade from 4 to 5.0 or even
5.1. Then claimed in from of my boss and the other management that "at
least 80% of the customers are already upgraded to 5.0".

B.S. I Say!! It sounds like fewer than 20 or the 800 or so here have gone
beyond 4.0? Anyone have an accurate census? And if you're still back at
3.0 or earlier, why is that? No maintenance, or some other issue?

-Wayne Cox






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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We have been on 5.0 since February.

Lori A. Baker
Accountant/IS Manager
CardioPak Inc.
www.cardiopak.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@...]
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 11:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?


At 12:27 PM 10/25/2001 , you wrote:
>Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in a kitty
>and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.

So does anyone have a true head count of the number of sites / customers
running the different versions?

We had an Epicor consultant in Mon & Tues (Dave Schlafman) who just kept
going on and on about how we really needed to upgrade from 4 to 5.0 or even
5.1. Then claimed in from of my boss and the other management that "at
least 80% of the customers are already upgraded to 5.0".

B.S. I Say!! It sounds like fewer than 20 or the 800 or so here have gone
beyond 4.0? Anyone have an accurate census? And if you're still back at
3.0 or earlier, why is that? No maintenance, or some other issue?

-Wayne Cox






Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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We have been on 5.0 since April, 2001 (currently at 5.00.329). No
major issues - except for last patch. "Days of Supply" field has a
change which caused major PO issues.

The polling sounds like a good idea, however, it needs to include the
industry segment for each user (i.e., machine shop, electronics
manufacuter, etc.). This might help us all understand why some folks
are running older versions. We are an electronic contract
manufacturer.

Debbie Fulgenzi


--- In vantage@y..., Thad Jacobs <tjacobs@k...> wrote:
> Sounds like a good subject for a poll.........
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc@u...]
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:54 PM
> To: vantage@y...
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?
>
>
> At 12:27 PM 10/25/2001 , you wrote:
> >Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in
a kitty
> >and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.
>
> So does anyone have a true head count of the number of sites /
customers
> running the different versions?
>
> We had an Epicor consultant in Mon & Tues (Dave Schlafman) who just
kept
> going on and on about how we really needed to upgrade from 4 to 5.0
or even
> 5.1. Then claimed in from of my boss and the other management
that "at
> least 80% of the customers are already upgraded to 5.0".
>
> B.S. I Say!! It sounds like fewer than 20 or the 800 or so here
have gone
> beyond 4.0? Anyone have an accurate census? And if you're still
back at
> 3.0 or earlier, why is that? No maintenance, or some other issue?
>
> -Wayne Cox
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You
must have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report
Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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We have been on 5.0 since June.

Jerry Boyle
Sipco Molding Technologies
Meadville, Pa. 16335-6725
814.724.2243
Visit our web site at www.sipco.com
Vantage 5.00.332
We're still one of the companies still on 3.0. We were an old DCD Classic customer and changed to 3.0 around a year or so ago. I finally have everyone comfortable with it
and it works just fine for our needs. I lost a lot of confidence in the product after what I read on this list after the 4.0 mess. We will eventually go to 5.1; but when I
do I think I'll have Epicor support come out and do the install for me.

Janet Lyman
Vice-President Information Systems
Metal Cutting Corporation


Wayne Cox wrote:

> At 12:27 PM 10/25/2001 , you wrote:
> >Yep, we'll cheer for you. Maybe we should all put in some cash in a kitty
> >and send it to the first one who goes live on 5.1.
>
> So does anyone have a true head count of the number of sites / customers
> running the different versions?
>
> We had an Epicor consultant in Mon & Tues (Dave Schlafman) who just kept
> going on and on about how we really needed to upgrade from 4 to 5.0 or even
> 5.1. Then claimed in from of my boss and the other management that "at
> least 80% of the customers are already upgraded to 5.0".
>
> B.S. I Say!! It sounds like fewer than 20 or the 800 or so here have gone
> beyond 4.0? Anyone have an accurate census? And if you're still back at
> 3.0 or earlier, why is that? No maintenance, or some other issue?
>
> -Wayne Cox
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
We have been on 5.0 since July



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Boyle [SMTP:jboyle@...]
> Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 2:43 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Anyone upgraded to 5.1?
>
> We have been on 5.0 since June.
>
> Jerry Boyle
> Sipco Molding Technologies
> Meadville, Pa. 16335-6725
> 814.724.2243
> Visit our web site at www.sipco.com
> Vantage 5.00.332
>
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