Finding the bottleneck with part assemblies that are set as Stoc

We use the time phase report by part class to analyze the part requirements.

A. Mercer Sisson
Systems Manager
Insaco inc
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On Dec 9, 2011, at 1:10 PM, "cooner_55421" <cooner_55421@...> wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> > 75% of our products use parts that are produced with Make to Stock
> > we do not see links to the (required) materials
> >and therefor cannot see what is the bottleneck.
> Your products sound similar to what I've been working with.
> Sorry but, I've never found a solution I liked within Vantage.
> So far, the Planning workbench, suggestions or scheduling board just don't seem like they are built to consider the supply parts in products with assemblies that pull materials from stock.
>
> I built custom reports and dashboards to catch the material issues.
> For both the Make to stock and purchase parts.
> It's a manual routine. It is not elegant but...
>
> I do keep looking though & I'd be interested in hearing any ideas.
> We are always trying new things and occasionally on a weekend I'll run full simulations in the test environment.
>
> BTW, we can't use constrained like you do.
> We did test APM out but... in this environment, it looked like it added more work and little benefit.
>
> Feel free to contact me if you'd like to compare notes offline sometime.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Vonderhaar" <tvonderhaar@...> wrote:
> >
> > We are running 9.05 and have been working on scheduling. I apologize up front if I don't use the correct Epicor or scheduling lingo.
> >
> > 75% of our products use parts that are produced with Make to Stock demand from MRP (i.e. minimums). To insure our products (part assemblies) pull the needed parts from inventory instead of creating new jobs, we have had to set all of our product assemblies as Stock as well. With this setup, we then noticed that Epicor apparently assumes that parts are available for assemblies that are marked as stock, even if actual inventory levels don't agree. I guess the assumption is the minimums should be set properly so inventory never runs out. Basically what we see is, the scheduler will show the assembly as ready to pull and build even though inventory levels for the parts used are not adequate. Our work around was to set all stock parts as constrained, forcing the scheduler to wait, which seems to work.
> >
> > Now to my question. Now when we schedule a part that is an assembly, the scheduler appears to wait for the inventory levels to be sufficient to make the assembly. However, we have introduced an unwanted side effect. When we view the job on the Job Scheduling Board, we do not see links to the materials and therefor cannot see what is the bottleneck. If we did a make to order of the assembly, the Job Scheduling Board would graphically show the parts leading up to the start of the assembly build since it would have cut new orders for each part required instead of pulling them from inventory. With the assembly set as Stock, the Job Scheduling Board just shows it floating out in space. We can click the details tab and can do a Time Phase on each part listed under the constrained materials, but that is very time consuming.
> >
> > I have to believe there is a way to see this, but so far, we haven't found it.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Tim
> >
>
>
>
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We are running 9.05 and have been working on scheduling. I apologize up front if I don't use the correct Epicor or scheduling lingo.

75% of our products use parts that are produced with Make to Stock demand from MRP (i.e. minimums). To insure our products (part assemblies) pull the needed parts from inventory instead of creating new jobs, we have had to set all of our product assemblies as Stock as well. With this setup, we then noticed that Epicor apparently assumes that parts are available for assemblies that are marked as stock, even if actual inventory levels don't agree. I guess the assumption is the minimums should be set properly so inventory never runs out. Basically what we see is, the scheduler will show the assembly as ready to pull and build even though inventory levels for the parts used are not adequate. Our work around was to set all stock parts as constrained, forcing the scheduler to wait, which seems to work.

Now to my question. Now when we schedule a part that is an assembly, the scheduler appears to wait for the inventory levels to be sufficient to make the assembly. However, we have introduced an unwanted side effect. When we view the job on the Job Scheduling Board, we do not see links to the materials and therefor cannot see what is the bottleneck. If we did a make to order of the assembly, the Job Scheduling Board would graphically show the parts leading up to the start of the assembly build since it would have cut new orders for each part required instead of pulling them from inventory. With the assembly set as Stock, the Job Scheduling Board just shows it floating out in space. We can click the details tab and can do a Time Phase on each part listed under the constrained materials, but that is very time consuming.

I have to believe there is a way to see this, but so far, we haven't found it.

Thanks,
Tim
I assume you are looking at these jobs because they are late scheduled?

Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-0590
FAX: (715)284-4084
[Description: cid:1.234354861@...]<http://www.dsmfg.com/>
(Click the logo to view our site)<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Vonderhaar
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:00 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Finding the bottleneck with part assemblies that are set as Stock in 9.05



We are running 9.05 and have been working on scheduling. I apologize up front if I don't use the correct Epicor or scheduling lingo.

75% of our products use parts that are produced with Make to Stock demand from MRP (i.e. minimums). To insure our products (part assemblies) pull the needed parts from inventory instead of creating new jobs, we have had to set all of our product assemblies as Stock as well. With this setup, we then noticed that Epicor apparently assumes that parts are available for assemblies that are marked as stock, even if actual inventory levels don't agree. I guess the assumption is the minimums should be set properly so inventory never runs out. Basically what we see is, the scheduler will show the assembly as ready to pull and build even though inventory levels for the parts used are not adequate. Our work around was to set all stock parts as constrained, forcing the scheduler to wait, which seems to work.

Now to my question. Now when we schedule a part that is an assembly, the scheduler appears to wait for the inventory levels to be sufficient to make the assembly. However, we have introduced an unwanted side effect. When we view the job on the Job Scheduling Board, we do not see links to the materials and therefor cannot see what is the bottleneck. If we did a make to order of the assembly, the Job Scheduling Board would graphically show the parts leading up to the start of the assembly build since it would have cut new orders for each part required instead of pulling them from inventory. With the assembly set as Stock, the Job Scheduling Board just shows it floating out in space. We can click the details tab and can do a Time Phase on each part listed under the constrained materials, but that is very time consuming.

I have to believe there is a way to see this, but so far, we haven't found it.

Thanks,
Tim



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Yes

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, Rob Bucek <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> I assume you are looking at these jobs because they are late scheduled?
>
> Rob Bucek
> Production Control Manager
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
> FAX: (715)284-4084
> [Description: cid:1.234354861@...]<http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> (Click the logo to view our site)<http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Vonderhaar
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:00 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Finding the bottleneck with part assemblies that are set as Stock in 9.05
>
>
>
> We are running 9.05 and have been working on scheduling. I apologize up front if I don't use the correct Epicor or scheduling lingo.
>
> 75% of our products use parts that are produced with Make to Stock demand from MRP (i.e. minimums). To insure our products (part assemblies) pull the needed parts from inventory instead of creating new jobs, we have had to set all of our product assemblies as Stock as well. With this setup, we then noticed that Epicor apparently assumes that parts are available for assemblies that are marked as stock, even if actual inventory levels don't agree. I guess the assumption is the minimums should be set properly so inventory never runs out. Basically what we see is, the scheduler will show the assembly as ready to pull and build even though inventory levels for the parts used are not adequate. Our work around was to set all stock parts as constrained, forcing the scheduler to wait, which seems to work.
>
> Now to my question. Now when we schedule a part that is an assembly, the scheduler appears to wait for the inventory levels to be sufficient to make the assembly. However, we have introduced an unwanted side effect. When we view the job on the Job Scheduling Board, we do not see links to the materials and therefor cannot see what is the bottleneck. If we did a make to order of the assembly, the Job Scheduling Board would graphically show the parts leading up to the start of the assembly build since it would have cut new orders for each part required instead of pulling them from inventory. With the assembly set as Stock, the Job Scheduling Board just shows it floating out in space. We can click the details tab and can do a Time Phase on each part listed under the constrained materials, but that is very time consuming.
>
> I have to believe there is a way to see this, but so far, we haven't found it.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Not that it's your best solution, but I would think the jobs providing those materials to stock would show up as move suggestions in the planners workbench. Every move in or move out is actually meant to align those material requirements for your time phase requirements. That's all theory, reality in Epicor may not always deliver as intended..but there are a lot of variables to consider when it comes to make to stock in the part master. You may be able to write a crystal report to give you a bit more visibility where this is concerned.

Rob Bucek
Production Control Manager
PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
Mobile: (715)896-0590
FAX: (715)284-4084
[Description: cid:1.234354861@...]<http://www.dsmfg.com/>
(Click the logo to view our site)<http://www.dsmfg.com/>

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Vonderhaar
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 9:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Finding the bottleneck with part assemblies that are set as Stock in 9.05



Yes

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, Rob Bucek <rbucek@...> wrote:
>
> I assume you are looking at these jobs because they are late scheduled?
>
> Rob Bucek
> Production Control Manager
> PH: (715) 284-5376 ext 311
> Mobile: (715)896-0590
> FAX: (715)284-4084
> [Description: cid:1.234354861@...]<http://www.dsmfg.com/>
> (Click the logo to view our site)<http://www.dsmfg.com/>
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Tim Vonderhaar
> Sent: Friday, December 09, 2011 8:00 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Finding the bottleneck with part assemblies that are set as Stock in 9.05
>
>
>
> We are running 9.05 and have been working on scheduling. I apologize up front if I don't use the correct Epicor or scheduling lingo.
>
> 75% of our products use parts that are produced with Make to Stock demand from MRP (i.e. minimums). To insure our products (part assemblies) pull the needed parts from inventory instead of creating new jobs, we have had to set all of our product assemblies as Stock as well. With this setup, we then noticed that Epicor apparently assumes that parts are available for assemblies that are marked as stock, even if actual inventory levels don't agree. I guess the assumption is the minimums should be set properly so inventory never runs out. Basically what we see is, the scheduler will show the assembly as ready to pull and build even though inventory levels for the parts used are not adequate. Our work around was to set all stock parts as constrained, forcing the scheduler to wait, which seems to work.
>
> Now to my question. Now when we schedule a part that is an assembly, the scheduler appears to wait for the inventory levels to be sufficient to make the assembly. However, we have introduced an unwanted side effect. When we view the job on the Job Scheduling Board, we do not see links to the materials and therefor cannot see what is the bottleneck. If we did a make to order of the assembly, the Job Scheduling Board would graphically show the parts leading up to the start of the assembly build since it would have cut new orders for each part required instead of pulling them from inventory. With the assembly set as Stock, the Job Scheduling Board just shows it floating out in space. We can click the details tab and can do a Time Phase on each part listed under the constrained materials, but that is very time consuming.
>
> I have to believe there is a way to see this, but so far, we haven't found it.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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Hi Tim,

> 75% of our products use parts that are produced with Make to Stock
> we do not see links to the (required) materials
>and therefor cannot see what is the bottleneck.
Your products sound similar to what I've been working with.
Sorry but, I've never found a solution I liked within Vantage.
So far, the Planning workbench, suggestions or scheduling board just don't seem like they are built to consider the supply parts in products with assemblies that pull materials from stock.

I built custom reports and dashboards to catch the material issues.
For both the Make to stock and purchase parts.
It's a manual routine. It is not elegant but...

I do keep looking though & I'd be interested in hearing any ideas.
We are always trying new things and occasionally on a weekend I'll run full simulations in the test environment.

BTW, we can't use constrained like you do.
We did test APM out but... in this environment, it looked like it added more work and little benefit.

Feel free to contact me if you'd like to compare notes offline sometime.

Thanks,



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Tim Vonderhaar" <tvonderhaar@...> wrote:
>
> We are running 9.05 and have been working on scheduling. I apologize up front if I don't use the correct Epicor or scheduling lingo.
>
> 75% of our products use parts that are produced with Make to Stock demand from MRP (i.e. minimums). To insure our products (part assemblies) pull the needed parts from inventory instead of creating new jobs, we have had to set all of our product assemblies as Stock as well. With this setup, we then noticed that Epicor apparently assumes that parts are available for assemblies that are marked as stock, even if actual inventory levels don't agree. I guess the assumption is the minimums should be set properly so inventory never runs out. Basically what we see is, the scheduler will show the assembly as ready to pull and build even though inventory levels for the parts used are not adequate. Our work around was to set all stock parts as constrained, forcing the scheduler to wait, which seems to work.
>
> Now to my question. Now when we schedule a part that is an assembly, the scheduler appears to wait for the inventory levels to be sufficient to make the assembly. However, we have introduced an unwanted side effect. When we view the job on the Job Scheduling Board, we do not see links to the materials and therefor cannot see what is the bottleneck. If we did a make to order of the assembly, the Job Scheduling Board would graphically show the parts leading up to the start of the assembly build since it would have cut new orders for each part required instead of pulling them from inventory. With the assembly set as Stock, the Job Scheduling Board just shows it floating out in space. We can click the details tab and can do a Time Phase on each part listed under the constrained materials, but that is very time consuming.
>
> I have to believe there is a way to see this, but so far, we haven't found it.
>
> Thanks,
> Tim
>