MS SQL - Progress Replication

system · May 20, 2005, 3:49pm

Excuse my ignorance, I understand the concept of a dts (MS Sql 2005
changes this), how is the sql database created. Is there a way to
"clone" the Progress data structure to a sql db? Can I use the one
Epicor provides ? Do you have any good ideas where I can learn more on
this? The idea of updating a MS Sql database daily and having it able to
connect into Sharepoint is very attractive.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:51 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi,

I create a sql dts service. You can alternatively create a named
server, or use openrowset or other distributed queries. If a table
extract takes more than 20-30 seconds I only select the fields I
actually use. If you aren't using the Characterxx fields taking these
out dramatically improves performance.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

How are you doing your extracts, I can deal with 4 minutes :-). I do
have SQL server running but do not want to run Vantage on SQL.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi Keith,

What you are describing is sql functionality, so I'm guessing you would
need to run Vantage on sql, and then you'd be able to do this.

We're doing massive extracts from vantage into sql, and you are correct,
life is very good. The database is way faster, and report writing is a
snap.

We are porting all of the report builder listings, e-mails, document
prints (who really likes crystal anyways?), and a new
sales/bookings/operations dashboard over to the sql system.

The Vantage server is much faster since we have split the load to the
sql box, and the users are happier because they get their new reports in
minutes instead of weeks. If a user wants a new listing it is normally
just a new sql view instead of a tedious bam, report builder session, or
other Neanderthal tool.

We are using a combination of Microsoft office, asp, vbscript, and cold
fusion's report builder as delivery mechanisms.

The only down side is the database replication, which is taking around 4
minutes with a 1.7GByte database.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Somewhere a while ago I read or dreamed that there was a way to create a
MS SQL database and have the Progress Vantage database replicate or
synchronize with it. Does this sound familiar to anyone or was this one
of my had to much of work dreams..... I am interested in some
BI/Sharepoint connectivity and MS SQL is easier for me to deal with (at
least at this point). I do have VBI but we are struggling to get it to
work. Support on this product is very thin (waiting 3 weeks on a call so
far).

Keith

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system · May 19, 2005, 3:51pm

Somewhere a while ago I read or dreamed that there was a way to create a
MS SQL database and have the Progress Vantage database replicate or
synchronize with it. Does this sound familiar to anyone or was this one
of my had to much of work dreams..... I am interested in some
BI/Sharepoint connectivity and MS SQL is easier for me to deal with (at
least at this point). I do have VBI but we are struggling to get it to
work. Support on this product is very thin (waiting 3 weeks on a call so
far).

Keith

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system · May 20, 2005, 8:44am

Hi Keith,

What you are describing is sql functionality, so I'm guessing you would
need to run Vantage on sql, and then you'd be able to do this.

We're doing massive extracts from vantage into sql, and you are correct,
life is very good. The database is way faster, and report writing is a
snap.

We are porting all of the report builder listings, e-mails, document
prints (who really likes crystal anyways?), and a new
sales/bookings/operations dashboard over to the sql system.

The Vantage server is much faster since we have split the load to the
sql box, and the users are happier because they get their new reports in
minutes instead of weeks. If a user wants a new listing it is normally
just a new sql view instead of a tedious bam, report builder session, or
other Neanderthal tool.

We are using a combination of Microsoft office, asp, vbscript, and cold
fusion's report builder as delivery mechanisms.

The only down side is the database replication, which is taking around 4
minutes with a 1.7GByte database.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Somewhere a while ago I read or dreamed that there was a way to create a
MS SQL database and have the Progress Vantage database replicate or
synchronize with it. Does this sound familiar to anyone or was this one
of my had to much of work dreams..... I am interested in some
BI/Sharepoint connectivity and MS SQL is easier for me to deal with (at
least at this point). I do have VBI but we are struggling to get it to
work. Support on this product is very thin (waiting 3 weeks on a call so
far).

Keith

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system · May 20, 2005, 11:32am

How are you doing your extracts, I can deal with 4 minutes :-). I do
have SQL server running but do not want to run Vantage on SQL.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi Keith,

What you are describing is sql functionality, so I'm guessing you would
need to run Vantage on sql, and then you'd be able to do this.

We're doing massive extracts from vantage into sql, and you are correct,
life is very good. The database is way faster, and report writing is a
snap.

We are porting all of the report builder listings, e-mails, document
prints (who really likes crystal anyways?), and a new
sales/bookings/operations dashboard over to the sql system.

The Vantage server is much faster since we have split the load to the
sql box, and the users are happier because they get their new reports in
minutes instead of weeks. If a user wants a new listing it is normally
just a new sql view instead of a tedious bam, report builder session, or
other Neanderthal tool.

We are using a combination of Microsoft office, asp, vbscript, and cold
fusion's report builder as delivery mechanisms.

The only down side is the database replication, which is taking around 4
minutes with a 1.7GByte database.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Somewhere a while ago I read or dreamed that there was a way to create a
MS SQL database and have the Progress Vantage database replicate or
synchronize with it. Does this sound familiar to anyone or was this one
of my had to much of work dreams..... I am interested in some
BI/Sharepoint connectivity and MS SQL is easier for me to deal with (at
least at this point). I do have VBI but we are struggling to get it to
work. Support on this product is very thin (waiting 3 weeks on a call so
far).

Keith

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system · May 20, 2005, 11:34am

Steve,

I have often thought of the benefit of using SQL instead of Progress on
our Vantage server. However, I was always told Progress is faster, Tech
Support understands Progress more, and it was just overall better to use
Progress.

I would like to use SQL or dump Progress to SQL for reports, third party
software connectivity, data conversion from other systems, etc. What are
the pros and cons of running Vantage on SQL? Would it be better to do
something like your doing running it on both? Or would it be beneficial
for reports to just dump data from Progress into SQL and run reports.
Also, how do you do this, special software or just Progress code?

Joe

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi Keith,

What you are describing is sql functionality, so I'm guessing you would
need to run Vantage on sql, and then you'd be able to do this.

We're doing massive extracts from vantage into sql, and you are correct,
life is very good. The database is way faster, and report writing is a
snap.

We are porting all of the report builder listings, e-mails, document
prints (who really likes crystal anyways?), and a new
sales/bookings/operations dashboard over to the sql system.

The Vantage server is much faster since we have split the load to the
sql box, and the users are happier because they get their new reports in
minutes instead of weeks. If a user wants a new listing it is normally
just a new sql view instead of a tedious bam, report builder session, or
other Neanderthal tool.

We are using a combination of Microsoft office, asp, vbscript, and cold
fusion's report builder as delivery mechanisms.

The only down side is the database replication, which is taking around 4
minutes with a 1.7GByte database.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Somewhere a while ago I read or dreamed that there was a way to create a
MS SQL database and have the Progress Vantage database replicate or
synchronize with it. Does this sound familiar to anyone or was this one
of my had to much of work dreams..... I am interested in some
BI/Sharepoint connectivity and MS SQL is easier for me to deal with (at
least at this point). I do have VBI but we are struggling to get it to
work. Support on this product is very thin (waiting 3 weeks on a call so
far).

Keith

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system · May 20, 2005, 11:50am

Hi,

I create a sql dts service. You can alternatively create a named
server, or use openrowset or other distributed queries. If a table
extract takes more than 20-30 seconds I only select the fields I
actually use. If you aren't using the Characterxx fields taking these
out dramatically improves performance.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:33 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

How are you doing your extracts, I can deal with 4 minutes :-). I do
have SQL server running but do not want to run Vantage on SQL.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi Keith,

What you are describing is sql functionality, so I'm guessing you would
need to run Vantage on sql, and then you'd be able to do this.

We're doing massive extracts from vantage into sql, and you are correct,
life is very good. The database is way faster, and report writing is a
snap.

We are porting all of the report builder listings, e-mails, document
prints (who really likes crystal anyways?), and a new
sales/bookings/operations dashboard over to the sql system.

The Vantage server is much faster since we have split the load to the
sql box, and the users are happier because they get their new reports in
minutes instead of weeks. If a user wants a new listing it is normally
just a new sql view instead of a tedious bam, report builder session, or
other Neanderthal tool.

We are using a combination of Microsoft office, asp, vbscript, and cold
fusion's report builder as delivery mechanisms.

The only down side is the database replication, which is taking around 4
minutes with a 1.7GByte database.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Somewhere a while ago I read or dreamed that there was a way to create a
MS SQL database and have the Progress Vantage database replicate or
synchronize with it. Does this sound familiar to anyone or was this one
of my had to much of work dreams..... I am interested in some
BI/Sharepoint connectivity and MS SQL is easier for me to deal with (at
least at this point). I do have VBI but we are struggling to get it to
work. Support on this product is very thin (waiting 3 weeks on a call so
far).

Keith

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system · May 20, 2005, 12:03pm

Hi Joe,

We aren't actually running Vantage on sql yet, but I'd dearly like to
principally because we have half a dozen people here that understand
sql, and no-one that wants to understand progress.

As you know sql has the enterprise manager and a slew of documentation
if you need it in the first place. For reporting applications a report
builder query that can take upwards of several minutes seldom takes more
than a few seconds in sql.

As soon as we run vantage on sql we can do modern things like replicate
the database, perform automatic failover to an alternate server, have
easier access to our extranet services, tie Vantage to other external
applications without dealing with merant drivers, ...could probably keep
going all day long on this one. While we might be able to do these
things in progress, I hate to think of the dead-ends, problems, and
sketchy/incorrect documentation we would have to pore through.

I guess I haven't actually used tech support from Vantage on the
progress database, and I guess I'm not sure when if ever I would. Can
you offer reasons here? The progress problems I've had I dealt with via
progress help and chat rooms. I've never encountered sql data integrity
problems like progress seems to have.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Luster
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Steve,

I have often thought of the benefit of using SQL instead of Progress on
our Vantage server. However, I was always told Progress is faster, Tech
Support understands Progress more, and it was just overall better to use
Progress.

I would like to use SQL or dump Progress to SQL for reports, third party
software connectivity, data conversion from other systems, etc. What are
the pros and cons of running Vantage on SQL? Would it be better to do
something like your doing running it on both? Or would it be beneficial
for reports to just dump data from Progress into SQL and run reports.
Also, how do you do this, special software or just Progress code?

Joe

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi Keith,

What you are describing is sql functionality, so I'm guessing you would
need to run Vantage on sql, and then you'd be able to do this.

We're doing massive extracts from vantage into sql, and you are correct,
life is very good. The database is way faster, and report writing is a
snap.

We are porting all of the report builder listings, e-mails, document
prints (who really likes crystal anyways?), and a new
sales/bookings/operations dashboard over to the sql system.

The Vantage server is much faster since we have split the load to the
sql box, and the users are happier because they get their new reports in
minutes instead of weeks. If a user wants a new listing it is normally
just a new sql view instead of a tedious bam, report builder session, or
other Neanderthal tool.

We are using a combination of Microsoft office, asp, vbscript, and cold
fusion's report builder as delivery mechanisms.

The only down side is the database replication, which is taking around 4
minutes with a 1.7GByte database.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Somewhere a while ago I read or dreamed that there was a way to create a
MS SQL database and have the Progress Vantage database replicate or
synchronize with it. Does this sound familiar to anyone or was this one
of my had to much of work dreams..... I am interested in some
BI/Sharepoint connectivity and MS SQL is easier for me to deal with (at
least at this point). I do have VBI but we are struggling to get it to
work. Support on this product is very thin (waiting 3 weeks on a call so
far).

Keith

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system · May 20, 2005, 12:14pm

Yes, I have had Progress errors. I figure as long as Epicor could help
me out, I wouldn't have to Progress help, chat rooms, etc. Plus we pay
for Epicor's help. I know all the pro's, and you mentioned a bunch of
them, for going to SQL with our Vantage database. I am trying to think
of and ask anyone else, if they see any cons.

Joe

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi Joe,

We aren't actually running Vantage on sql yet, but I'd dearly like to
principally because we have half a dozen people here that understand
sql, and no-one that wants to understand progress.

As you know sql has the enterprise manager and a slew of documentation
if you need it in the first place. For reporting applications a report
builder query that can take upwards of several minutes seldom takes more
than a few seconds in sql.

As soon as we run vantage on sql we can do modern things like replicate
the database, perform automatic failover to an alternate server, have
easier access to our extranet services, tie Vantage to other external
applications without dealing with merant drivers, ...could probably keep
going all day long on this one. While we might be able to do these
things in progress, I hate to think of the dead-ends, problems, and
sketchy/incorrect documentation we would have to pore through.

I guess I haven't actually used tech support from Vantage on the
progress database, and I guess I'm not sure when if ever I would. Can
you offer reasons here? The progress problems I've had I dealt with via
progress help and chat rooms. I've never encountered sql data integrity
problems like progress seems to have.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Joe Luster
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Steve,

I have often thought of the benefit of using SQL instead of Progress on
our Vantage server. However, I was always told Progress is faster, Tech
Support understands Progress more, and it was just overall better to use
Progress.

I would like to use SQL or dump Progress to SQL for reports, third party
software connectivity, data conversion from other systems, etc. What are
the pros and cons of running Vantage on SQL? Would it be better to do
something like your doing running it on both? Or would it be beneficial
for reports to just dump data from Progress into SQL and run reports.
Also, how do you do this, special software or just Progress code?

Joe

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi Keith,

What you are describing is sql functionality, so I'm guessing you would
need to run Vantage on sql, and then you'd be able to do this.

We're doing massive extracts from vantage into sql, and you are correct,
life is very good. The database is way faster, and report writing is a
snap.

We are porting all of the report builder listings, e-mails, document
prints (who really likes crystal anyways?), and a new
sales/bookings/operations dashboard over to the sql system.

The Vantage server is much faster since we have split the load to the
sql box, and the users are happier because they get their new reports in
minutes instead of weeks. If a user wants a new listing it is normally
just a new sql view instead of a tedious bam, report builder session, or
other Neanderthal tool.

We are using a combination of Microsoft office, asp, vbscript, and cold
fusion's report builder as delivery mechanisms.

The only down side is the database replication, which is taking around 4
minutes with a 1.7GByte database.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Keith Mailloux
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Somewhere a while ago I read or dreamed that there was a way to create a
MS SQL database and have the Progress Vantage database replicate or
synchronize with it. Does this sound familiar to anyone or was this one
of my had to much of work dreams..... I am interested in some
BI/Sharepoint connectivity and MS SQL is easier for me to deal with (at
least at this point). I do have VBI but we are struggling to get it to
work. Support on this product is very thin (waiting 3 weeks on a call so
far).

Keith

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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system · May 20, 2005, 1:08pm

At my last company, we switched to SQL Server. Vantage didn't run very well
on it. We had errors that Progress users didn't get, we had database
corruption, we had ineffective support from Epicor, we had a lot of downtime. It was
a BIG mess. We moved back to Progress.

They may have fixed all these problems.
Jeremy

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system · May 20, 2005, 1:42pm

To say that Progresses SQL Server support is a kludge does a horrible
injustice to kludgey systems. First, even if you run SQL Server as the data
repository you will still have to have Progress running to house the
meta-data. Second, count on at least a 50% performance hit and that's being
conservative. Third, rather than reducing the number of data errors, in
practice, SQL users typically report considerably more errors than Progress
users.

Michael

Michael Barry
Aspacia Systems Inc
866.566.9600
312.803.0730 fax
http://www.aspacia.com/

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Joe Luster
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 9:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Yes, I have had Progress errors. I figure as long as Epicor could help me
out, I wouldn't have to Progress help, chat rooms, etc. Plus we pay for
Epicor's help. I know all the pro's, and you mentioned a bunch of them, for
going to SQL with our Vantage database. I am trying to think of and ask
anyone else, if they see any cons.

Joe

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 12:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi Joe,

We aren't actually running Vantage on sql yet, but I'd dearly like to
principally because we have half a dozen people here that understand sql,
and no-one that wants to understand progress.

As you know sql has the enterprise manager and a slew of documentation if
you need it in the first place. For reporting applications a report builder
query that can take upwards of several minutes seldom takes more than a few
seconds in sql.

As soon as we run vantage on sql we can do modern things like replicate the
database, perform automatic failover to an alternate server, have easier
access to our extranet services, tie Vantage to other external applications
without dealing with merant drivers, ...could probably keep going all day
long on this one. While we might be able to do these things in progress, I
hate to think of the dead-ends, problems, and sketchy/incorrect
documentation we would have to pore through.

I guess I haven't actually used tech support from Vantage on the progress
database, and I guess I'm not sure when if ever I would. Can you offer
reasons here? The progress problems I've had I dealt with via progress help
and chat rooms. I've never encountered sql data integrity problems like
progress seems to have.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Joe Luster
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Steve,

I have often thought of the benefit of using SQL instead of Progress on our
Vantage server. However, I was always told Progress is faster, Tech Support
understands Progress more, and it was just overall better to use Progress.

I would like to use SQL or dump Progress to SQL for reports, third party
software connectivity, data conversion from other systems, etc. What are the
pros and cons of running Vantage on SQL? Would it be better to do something
like your doing running it on both? Or would it be beneficial for reports to
just dump data from Progress into SQL and run reports.
Also, how do you do this, special software or just Progress code?

Joe

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Steve Wirch
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:44 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Hi Keith,

What you are describing is sql functionality, so I'm guessing you would need
to run Vantage on sql, and then you'd be able to do this.

We're doing massive extracts from vantage into sql, and you are correct,
life is very good. The database is way faster, and report writing is a
snap.

We are porting all of the report builder listings, e-mails, document prints
(who really likes crystal anyways?), and a new sales/bookings/operations
dashboard over to the sql system.

The Vantage server is much faster since we have split the load to the sql
box, and the users are happier because they get their new reports in minutes
instead of weeks. If a user wants a new listing it is normally just a new
sql view instead of a tedious bam, report builder session, or other
Neanderthal tool.

We are using a combination of Microsoft office, asp, vbscript, and cold
fusion's report builder as delivery mechanisms.

The only down side is the database replication, which is taking around 4
minutes with a 1.7GByte database.

Take care,

Steve

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Keith Mailloux
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 3:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] MS SQL - Progress Replication

Somewhere a while ago I read or dreamed that there was a way to create a MS
SQL database and have the Progress Vantage database replicate or synchronize
with it. Does this sound familiar to anyone or was this one of my had to
much of work dreams..... I am interested in some BI/Sharepoint connectivity
and MS SQL is easier for me to deal with (at least at this point). I do have
VBI but we are struggling to get it to work. Support on this product is very
thin (waiting 3 weeks on a call so far).

Keith

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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