OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices

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1
Hi,

Thanks for the input on this. It looks like the windows option is
favoured by this group. There is a possibility of some bespoke
programs/apps running on some mobile devices so maybe windows as a
generic platform is better.

Thanks once again.






--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "brychanwilliams"
<brychanwilliams@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
> little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some
devices
> using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits
of
> using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
> looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are
moving
> to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
> then?
>
> From an IT administration point of view is one better than the
other. I
> have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does
mobile
> provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
2
Hi,

We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some devices
using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits of
using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are moving
to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
then?

From an IT administration point of view is one better than the other. I
have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does mobile
provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?

Thanks in advance.
3
I installed BES not to long ago. I have not dealt with other mobile device so I can't compare but the blackberry installation was very easy.

They have an installation video on their website and I followed it word for word. They also have plenty of documentation.

I did install it on a separate server but I was told that since we were only planning on 10-15 users, it would be no problem installing it on the exchange server as long as it's not Exch 2007. I installed it and never had any problems at all.

I'm not sure if they still have this deal but if you by a blackberry, you can get the server software and 1 client license for free.

Good luck
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of brychanwilliams
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices



Hi,

We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some devices
using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits of
using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are moving
to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
then?

From an IT administration point of view is one better than the other. I
have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does mobile
provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?

Thanks in advance.







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4
BES for 15-20 sounds like a lot of work to me. Push email was made
available in Exchange 2003. All you need is a Windows mobile device
that is compatible. The BES with Blackberries adds some functionality
for end users (change out of office from device), as well as admins
(Detailed Logs, easy locking and reseting of devices), but it really
comes down to cost and justification.
BES does stand for Blackberry "Enterprise" Server. ;-)
At my previous employer, we had close to 1,000 BB users. We had one
guy dedicated to supporting the BES.
Good Technologies makes a competetive product to the BES, that leaves
you open to using platforms other than just BB.
We have about 15 users with PDA phones, and we use Treo 750 and
Blackjacks with the Windows push email. We are very satisfied.
Regards,
Craig

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "brychanwilliams"
<brychanwilliams@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
> little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some
devices
> using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits
of
> using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
> looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are
moving
> to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
> then?
>
> From an IT administration point of view is one better than the
other. I
> have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does
mobile
> provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
5
We currently deployed 3 blackberry's and the users love them. Benefit
over the windows mobile, you have a cell phone with internet access,
email, calendar, notes, reminders, applications, etc... which a windows
mobile device can't fully do. We use Blackberry Enterprise Server Small
Business Edition (BES SBE) which is the same as BES except cheaper. With
SBE you can download the software and legally run it free from
Blackberry. And YES you can install it on your email server or any
server you wish to use for that matter. You don't need a dedicated
server to run this app. Then all you have to do is buy licenses which
only cost about $100 each. The only thing is with SBE you can only do 15
licenses. If you need to exceed that number you just have to purchase
the key to upgrade to "regular/enterprise" BES. No changes need to be
done, nothing new is unlocked, it just allows you to license more
devices and it costs money. So for only $300 we deployed BES SBE with
room to grow and it has been well worth it.




Toby Boogerd
Information Systems
712-324-4854 x1119

NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and proprietary information
of Rosenboom Machine & Tool, Inc. By opening any enclosed files, the
recipient agrees not to use, reproduce, disclose, or manufacture its
contents, in whole or in part, without prior written consent of
Rosenboom Machine & Tool, Inc.



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Craig Weiss
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices



BES for 15-20 sounds like a lot of work to me. Push email was made
available in Exchange 2003. All you need is a Windows mobile device
that is compatible. The BES with Blackberries adds some functionality
for end users (change out of office from device), as well as admins
(Detailed Logs, easy locking and reseting of devices), but it really
comes down to cost and justification.
BES does stand for Blackberry "Enterprise" Server. ;-)
At my previous employer, we had close to 1,000 BB users. We had one
guy dedicated to supporting the BES.
Good Technologies makes a competetive product to the BES, that leaves
you open to using platforms other than just BB.
We have about 15 users with PDA phones, and we use Treo 750 and
Blackjacks with the Windows push email. We are very satisfied.
Regards,
Craig

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"brychanwilliams"
<brychanwilliams@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
> little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some
devices
> using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits
of
> using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
> looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are
moving
> to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
> then?
>
> From an IT administration point of view is one better than the
other. I
> have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does
mobile
> provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>






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6
Craig,

Do you know if its possible to have a blackberry server and still use mobile devices. We have a BES but we also have users who have their own pda's and treo's. If our BES is on a separate box, can we use the exchange server to service the other mobile units?

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Craig Weiss
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:50 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices



BES for 15-20 sounds like a lot of work to me. Push email was made
available in Exchange 2003. All you need is a Windows mobile device
that is compatible. The BES with Blackberries adds some functionality
for end users (change out of office from device), as well as admins
(Detailed Logs, easy locking and reseting of devices), but it really
comes down to cost and justification.
BES does stand for Blackberry "Enterprise" Server. ;-)
At my previous employer, we had close to 1,000 BB users. We had one
guy dedicated to supporting the BES.
Good Technologies makes a competetive product to the BES, that leaves
you open to using platforms other than just BB.
We have about 15 users with PDA phones, and we use Treo 750 and
Blackjacks with the Windows push email. We are very satisfied.
Regards,
Craig

--- In vantage@yahoogroups­.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "brychanwilliams"
<brychanwilliams@­...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
> little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some
devices
> using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits
of
> using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
> looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are
moving
> to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
> then?
>
> From an IT administration point of view is one better than the
other. I
> have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does
mobile
> provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>







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7
We also have deployed 3 Blackberrys and use the Small Business
Edition of BES. One thing I wanted to add is that whenever we've
needed them, Blackberry Support is top notch! I'm very impressed
with those guys.

Brian Stenglein
Clow Stamping Co.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Toby Boogerd" <tboogerd@...> wrote:
>
> We currently deployed 3 blackberry's and the users love them.
Benefit
> over the windows mobile, you have a cell phone with internet access,
> email, calendar, notes, reminders, applications, etc... which a
windows
> mobile device can't fully do. We use Blackberry Enterprise Server
Small
> Business Edition (BES SBE) which is the same as BES except cheaper.
With
> SBE you can download the software and legally run it free from
> Blackberry. And YES you can install it on your email server or any
> server you wish to use for that matter. You don't need a dedicated
> server to run this app. Then all you have to do is buy licenses
which
> only cost about $100 each. The only thing is with SBE you can only
do 15
> licenses. If you need to exceed that number you just have to
purchase
> the key to upgrade to "regular/enterprise" BES. No changes need to
be
> done, nothing new is unlocked, it just allows you to license more
> devices and it costs money. So for only $300 we deployed BES SBE
with
> room to grow and it has been well worth it.
>
>
>
>
> Toby Boogerd
> Information Systems
> 712-324-4854 x1119
>
> NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and proprietary
information
> of Rosenboom Machine & Tool, Inc. By opening any enclosed files, the
> recipient agrees not to use, reproduce, disclose, or manufacture its
> contents, in whole or in part, without prior written consent of
> Rosenboom Machine & Tool, Inc.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Craig Weiss
> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:50 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices
>
>
>
> BES for 15-20 sounds like a lot of work to me. Push email was made
> available in Exchange 2003. All you need is a Windows mobile device
> that is compatible. The BES with Blackberries adds some
functionality
> for end users (change out of office from device), as well as admins
> (Detailed Logs, easy locking and reseting of devices), but it
really
> comes down to cost and justification.
> BES does stand for Blackberry "Enterprise" Server. ;-)
> At my previous employer, we had close to 1,000 BB users. We had one
> guy dedicated to supporting the BES.
> Good Technologies makes a competetive product to the BES, that
leaves
> you open to using platforms other than just BB.
> We have about 15 users with PDA phones, and we use Treo 750 and
> Blackjacks with the Windows push email. We are very satisfied.
> Regards,
> Craig
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "brychanwilliams"
> <brychanwilliams@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I
have
> > little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some
> devices
> > using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the
benefits
> of
> > using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
> > looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are
> moving
> > to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire
until
> > then?
> >
> > From an IT administration point of view is one better than the
> other. I
> > have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does
> mobile
> > provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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We switched from Blackberries to Windows Mobile (on Motorola Q phones) when we switched to Exchange 2007. The charge (basically, repurchase BES from scratch) for 64 bit BES was more than enough to cover the cost of the new phones. With Active Synch we eliminated a software layer (BES) altogether. It took our five users a few weeks to learn the differences in how to do things but nobody has complained about missing any features. Aside from the BES cost there was also a monthly fee from Sprint/Nextel for Blackberry service that has now been eliminated...more than enough to cover the mobile windows cost fro Verizon. Given that we are doing the same things as before I found it hard to see what value RIM was bringing to the table.

With Blackberry I recall having to spend a lot of time in BES keeping things working and entering codes and such to validate the phone part whereas I have not touched anything since the initial setup when we switched to Exchange 2007. One other nice thing is that without a per user fee I can add my next personal phone to the system without cost to the company...as could anyone else not deemed worthy enough to have a company paid phone.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brychanwilliams
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices


Hi,

We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some devices
using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits of
using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are moving
to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
then?

From an IT administration point of view is one better than the other. I
have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does mobile
provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?

Thanks in advance.





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9
In a past life, I worked for a large real-estate developer/brokerage
company. Prior to my arrival, there was no facility for keeping *any*
phones in touch with the email system (Linux-based). One of my first
tasks was to implement Exchange to support a new VoIP messaging system.
Once that was done, I demonstrated to the executive team how my
(personal) WindowsMobile (WM) phone could be kept in sync with the
system, including receipt email, calendar, contacts, and voice-messages
left on the new internal VoIP system (which arrived as WAV-file
attachments to emails), with no additional cost to the company. From
that point forward, the company adopted a policy of "WindowsMobile or
you're on your own."

Turned out, though, that the executive team didn't really mean "on your
own," as it was still demanded of the IT team to make Blackberry devices
work, too, though buying a BES system was not an option. The solution I
devised for Blackberry users was to deploy Outlook to their local
computer (regardless of location, thanks to "Outlook over HTTP/RPC
proxy" support in Exchange2003) and sync their Blackberry to their
machines. It wasn't as clean as the WM integration, but users were able
to keep their phones *close* to in-sync with the Exchange system.

In an environment where there has been an investment into Exchange,
which includes the functionality of BES without added up-front of
recurring costs, I'd be hard pressed to make a case for using
Blackberry's, unless the company has already invested vast sums of money
into buying Blackberry devices. Even then, the cost-savings by not
using BES would likely offset the cost of re-buying phones.

AT&T's "unlimited" data-plan is around $40/month. That's the only added
recurring expense, and you don't *need* the unlimited plan if you don't
really need it. To use BES, I believe you need to have a data-plan on
the device and subscribe to the BES services, though I don't know what
these costs amount to per month. Even with the Outlook-over-HTTP
option, there is no need for the BES services, just the Blackberry
data-plan.

--Ari
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ari Footlik
IT Manager - R. A. Zweig


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Todd Caughey
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 8:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices



We switched from Blackberries to Windows Mobile (on Motorola Q phones)
when we switched to Exchange 2007. The charge (basically, repurchase BES
from scratch) for 64 bit BES was more than enough to cover the cost of
the new phones. With Active Synch we eliminated a software layer (BES)
altogether. It took our five users a few weeks to learn the differences
in how to do things but nobody has complained about missing any
features. Aside from the BES cost there was also a monthly fee from
Sprint/Nextel for Blackberry service that has now been eliminated...more
than enough to cover the mobile windows cost fro Verizon. Given that we
are doing the same things as before I found it hard to see what value
RIM was bringing to the table.

With Blackberry I recall having to spend a lot of time in BES keeping
things working and entering codes and such to validate the phone part
whereas I have not touched anything since the initial setup when we
switched to Exchange 2007. One other nice thing is that without a per
user fee I can add my next personal phone to the system without cost to
the company...as could anyone else not deemed worthy enough to have a
company paid phone.

-Todd C.

________________________________
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of brychanwilliams
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 4:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices

Hi,

We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some devices
using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits of
using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are moving
to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
then?

From an IT administration point of view is one better than the other. I
have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does mobile
provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?

Thanks in advance.

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10
We only support the Windows Mobile devices. The setup is done in
minutes at no extra cost. The Mobile Live Search is a great tool for
our frequent travelers. Exchange has a feature to disable phones if
lost or stolen (we tried it on one of our phones and it totally disabled
it - had to do a factory reset to get it to boot again). We have a few
users we set up the phone to be a "modem" for their computer (I think
the t-mobile Dash has it built-in but we've tried PdaNet).



Butch



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of brychanwilliams
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 2:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices



Hi,

We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some devices
using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits of
using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are moving
to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
then?

From an IT administration point of view is one better than the other. I
have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does mobile
provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?

Thanks in advance.





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11
Toby, My workers run a Cingular 8525 and older HP model, a 6700 from Verizon, and a T-mobile windows mobile of some series.
You mention a list of things that can not be done "fully" from these devices, but from which I am, and then also include remote desktop connection and phone-as-modem capabilities.


So, to be fair to anyone considering one of these devices, and to make sure I know what I am missing on my phone, what can the BB devices do "more fully"?

Outlook/exchange YES
Multiple (other) email YES
Email Push YES
Bluetooth YES
WiFi YES
Reminders YES
Calendar YES
Applications Yes *MANY
Notes YES, with text and handwriting/drawing

**ALSO, we have upgraded all but the older HP models to MOBILE 6 and it is much better.

Carey


To: vantage@yahoogroups.comFrom: tboogerd@...: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 07:59:14 -0600Subject: RE: [Vantage] Re: OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices




We currently deployed 3 blackberry's and the users love them. Benefitover the windows mobile, you have a cell phone with internet access,email, calendar, notes, reminders, applications, etc... which a windowsmobile device can't fully do. We use Blackberry Enterprise Server SmallBusiness Edition (BES SBE) which is the same as BES except cheaper. WithSBE you can download the software and legally run it free fromBlackberry. And YES you can install it on your email server or anyserver you wish to use for that matter. You don't need a dedicatedserver to run this app. Then all you have to do is buy licenses whichonly cost about $100 each. The only thing is with SBE you can only do 15licenses. If you need to exceed that number you just have to purchasethe key to upgrade to "regular/enterprise" BES. No changes need to bedone, nothing new is unlocked, it just allows you to license moredevices and it costs money. So for only $300 we deployed BES SBE withroom to grow and it has been well worth it.Toby BoogerdInformation Systems712-324-4854 x1119NOTICE: This email may contain confidential and proprietary informationof Rosenboom Machine & Tool, Inc. By opening any enclosed files, therecipient agrees not to use, reproduce, disclose, or manufacture itscontents, in whole or in part, without prior written consent ofRosenboom Machine & Tool, Inc.________________________________From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On BehalfOf Craig WeissSent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:50 AMTo: vantage@yahoogroups.comSubject: [Vantage] Re: OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile DevicesBES for 15-20 sounds like a lot of work to me. Push email was made available in Exchange 2003. All you need is a Windows mobile device that is compatible. The BES with Blackberries adds some functionality for end users (change out of office from device), as well as admins (Detailed Logs, easy locking and reseting of devices), but it really comes down to cost and justification.BES does stand for Blackberry "Enterprise" Server. ;-)At my previous employer, we had close to 1,000 BB users. We had one guy dedicated to supporting the BES.Good Technologies makes a competetive product to the BES, that leaves you open to using platforms other than just BB.We have about 15 users with PDA phones, and we use Treo 750 and Blackjacks with the Windows push email. We are very satisfied.Regards,Craig--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ,"brychanwilliams" <brychanwilliams@...> wrote:>> Hi,> > We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have > little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some devices > using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits of > using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be > looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are moving > to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until > then? > > From an IT administration point of view is one better than the other. I > have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does mobile > provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?> > Thanks in advance.>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]






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We've tried to steer clear of deploying BES on networks that we service.
If a user absolutely has to have a BlackBerry we get the redirector
going on their laptop/workstation. By default Exchange 2003 SP2 supports
WM devices and is by far the least expensive from both a licensing cost
and an ongoing maintenance cost - as echoed by several of the group
members here.



Cost is always inevitable, but what is often not considered is the time
it takes to manage the service on an ongoing basis.



I will say that WM is not 100% fail-safe as we have run into issues with
it syncing correctly with Exchange and period "hiccups" but all-in-all
it seems to be a very good solution.



Jason Claggett

Microsoft Small Business Specialist

MCP #3856159

2W Technologies, LLC

312.533.4033 x8039

jason@...



From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of brychanwilliams
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:49 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices



Hi,

We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some devices
using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits of
using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are moving
to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
then?

From an IT administration point of view is one better than the other. I
have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does mobile
provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?

Thanks in advance.





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13
Since we are on the subject, can somebody direct me to installation and configuration documentation for setting up windows mobile devices.

Thanks,
Jasper

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Jason Claggett
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices



We've tried to steer clear of deploying BES on networks that we service.
If a user absolutely has to have a BlackBerry we get the redirector
going on their laptop/workstation. By default Exchange 2003 SP2 supports
WM devices and is by far the least expensive from both a licensing cost
and an ongoing maintenance cost - as echoed by several of the group
members here.

Cost is always inevitable, but what is often not considered is the time
it takes to manage the service on an ongoing basis.

I will say that WM is not 100% fail-safe as we have run into issues with
it syncing correctly with Exchange and period "hiccups" but all-in-all
it seems to be a very good solution.

Jason Claggett

Microsoft Small Business Specialist

MCP #3856159

2W Technologies, LLC

312.533.4033 x8039

jason@...<mailto:jason%402wtech.com>

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Of brychanwilliams
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 5:49 AM
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Subject: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices

Hi,

We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some devices
using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits of
using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are moving
to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
then?

From an IT administration point of view is one better than the other. I
have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does mobile
provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?

Thanks in advance.

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In Exchange System Manager, expand "Global Settings," right-click
"Mobile Services" and select "Properties," then enable every check-box.
Then, configure ActiveSync on the WM device to point to the *same*
address as you use for your Outlook Web Access. It should be that easy.

Oh - for each user-account with an established Exchange mailbox, check
the "Exchange Features" tab to see if the account has been configured to
allow permission to ActiveSync.

--Ari
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Ari Footlik
IT Manager - R. A. Zweig


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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jasper Recto
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:27 PM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: RE: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices



Since we are on the subject, can somebody direct me to installation and
configuration documentation for setting up windows mobile devices.

Thanks,
Jasper

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ]On
Behalf Of Jason Claggett
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 1:53 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices

We've tried to steer clear of deploying BES on networks that we service.
If a user absolutely has to have a BlackBerry we get the redirector
going on their laptop/workstation. By default Exchange 2003 SP2 supports
WM devices and is by far the least expensive from both a licensing cost
and an ongoing maintenance cost - as echoed by several of the group
members here.

Cost is always inevitable, but what is often not considered is the time
it takes to manage the service on an ongoing basis.

I will say that WM is not 100% fail-safe as we have run into issues with
it syncing correctly with Exchange and period "hiccups" but all-in-all
it seems to be a very good solution.

Jason Claggett

Microsoft Small Business Specialist

MCP #3856159

2W Technologies, LLC

312.533.4033 x8039

jason@... <mailto:jason%402wtech.com> <mailto:jason%402wtech.com>

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Of brychanwilliams
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To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] OT - Blackberry Versus Windows Mobile Devices

Hi,

We are under pressure to deploy Blackberry and to be honest I have
little experience with mobile devices. We currently have some devices
using exchange 2004 oma. First of all I am looking for the benefits of
using blackberry compared to windows mobile devices. We would be
looking for 15 - 20 users. Also to through into the mix we are moving
to exchange 2007 in the next 8-12 months. Should we hold fire until
then?

From an IT administration point of view is one better than the other. I
have heard that BES has to be installed on another server? Does mobile
provider make any difference on using blackberry or not?

Thanks in advance.

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