Scrap Reporting on Operations

Wayne is correct! And that is also why we jumped to 5.0 also. BUT! Little
did we know by doing this we gave up cost of scrap information that we were
using for our continuous improvement program. In before 5.0 you could run a
report called Non-Conformance Analysis which gave you the cost of scrap.
When you move to 5.0 the report only looks at discrepant qty it totally
ignores scrap. So now we can no longer use the report. All of our scrap is
scrap and we do not use the discrepant qty. In order to get the information
from that report we would have to use the discrepant qty for all our scrap
and go through the process of dispositioning which takes up useless time
before closing a job. So if anyone out there has a suggestion on how to get
cost of scrap in 5.0 I would be forever indebted.

Kathy Hambleton
Electron Energy Corp

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 1:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Scrap Reporting on Operations


At 11:22 AM 7/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>We are on 4.00.812 (struggling elsewhere to get to 5.2) and I was confused.
>It is not a lock but rather the job can not be closed because inspection is
>required. We would rather not have to go into the inspection screen and
>"fail" the scrapped parts if there is a way to not require inspeciton or to

This was a bad "feature" in 4.0. Epicor assumed you would want an
inspector to check over all those scrap parts for any salvageable ones. Of
course, in many cases scrap is scrap and you don't want to devote any more
time to it. So at 5.0 labor entry & data collection have separate fields
for "scrap" and "discrepant" qtys. Until you upgrade, you're stuck with it.

I set up a Ground control macro to simplify clearing out all the unwanted
scrap entries from Inspection Processing. Found that if you run them
through as "passed" it clears out inspection, leaves the scrap qty on the
job (for reporting) and does not change the job's completed quantities or
costs. That doesn't seem entirely logical, but it actually worked nicely
for us.

>If I understand correctly then, there is no other inpact to G/L from making
>the scapped parts as "failed"?

If you fail them, you'll have an INS-DMR and G/L transaction to go
with. If they're really scrap, try clearing them out as "passed" on a test
database. It will probably have the desired effect. Also, IIRC if you
fail them there's yet another step you'll have to clear out (not sure about
that one - it's been 8+ months since I looked at it.)

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338





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This has probably been asked more than a few times but we are in a bit of a
crisis this morning so I'm hoping for a faster answer than searching the old
messages.

We need to record scrap reasons on operations so have started having
operators enter scrap qty in Data Collection when the clock off a job. This
activates the reason code box. We also want to make sure the qty completed
is "good" parts and hope this will help in the operator counts as parts move
form oper to oper..

We have found this morning that this causes the job to be locked pending
inspection. Is there any way to override this and not require inspection so
the job is not locked? Also, what impact do the scrap quantities have on
costs and where does this impact G/L? On the in spection screen we can
"fail" all the scrapped parts but how does this show in the ledger? What
account does it go to (DMR?) ? If we turn off the Quality Module will this
make it simpler? At least until we make it to 5.2 where I understand there
were some changes by that version.

We are faced with "untraining" the shop to enter scrap qty & reason versus
trying to make this work OK quickly.

Thanks,
-Todd Caughey
Harvey Vogel Mfg. Co.


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At 10:23 AM 7/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>We have found this morning that this causes the job to be locked pending
>inspection. Is there any way to override this and not require inspection so
>the job is not locked?

Never heard of that happening. Where are you encountering this lock? And
which version are you running?

>Also, what impact do the scrap quantities have on costs and where does
>this impact G/L?

Scrap doesn't create any GL entries. The cost remains on the job and
effectively increases the unit cost of the good parts.

>On the in spection screen we can "fail" all the scrapped parts but how
>does this show in the ledger? What account does it go to (DMR?) ?

Check out the spreadsheet I uploaded to the files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/Vantage%20Admin/Vantage_5_Transaction_GL_Hierarchy.xls

The initial ASM-INS doesn't move any costs. When you fail it, an INS-DMR
is created.

>If we turn off the Quality Module will this make it simpler?

Hmm? I don't know if you can just turn it off. You can change a config
option to not move any costs (that's detailed in the spread sheet, too.)

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338
We are on 4.00.812 (struggling elsewhere to get to 5.2) and I was confused.
It is not a lock but rather the job can not be closed because inspection is
required. We would rather not have to go into the inspection screen and
"fail" the scrapped parts if there is a way to not require inspeciton or to
"auto-fail" all scrapped parts. Is this inspection required business a
"feature" of the quaility module? We are not using that module so if we
turn it off can we avoid this?

If I understand correctly then, there is no other inpact to G/L from making
the scapped parts as "failed"?

Thanks,
-Todd C.


-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 10:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Scrap Reporting on Operations


At 10:23 AM 7/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>We have found this morning that this causes the job to be locked pending
>inspection. Is there any way to override this and not require inspection
so
>the job is not locked?

Never heard of that happening. Where are you encountering this lock? And
which version are you running?

>Also, what impact do the scrap quantities have on costs and where does
>this impact G/L?

Scrap doesn't create any GL entries. The cost remains on the job and
effectively increases the unit cost of the good parts.

>On the in spection screen we can "fail" all the scrapped parts but how
>does this show in the ledger? What account does it go to (DMR?) ?

Check out the spreadsheet I uploaded to the files section:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/Vantage%20Admin/Vantage_5_Transa
ction_GL_Hierarchy.xls
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/Vantage%20Admin/Vantage_5_Trans
action_GL_Hierarchy.xls>

The initial ASM-INS doesn't move any costs. When you fail it, an INS-DMR
is created.

>If we turn off the Quality Module will this make it simpler?

Hmm? I don't know if you can just turn it off. You can change a config
option to not move any costs (that's detailed in the spread sheet, too.)

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338





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Hi,
On 5.0 they changed it so there is a scrap amount and a discrepant
amount that you enter into data collection and only the discrepant amount
goes into inspection. I don't think there was a work around, other than
going into the inspection screen and failing them. It was a big reason we
went to 5.0 right away, because it is a huge pain. You could call support
and see what happens if you just turn the quality module off if you are not
using it for anything else. If you are close to going to 5.2 and have been
struggling with it this long, I would maybe just continue to struggle, or
maybe you just got the quality module.
Thanks,
Judy Stauduhar
Synovis Interventional Solutions
jstauduhar@...
651-792-2874


Message: 25
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2002 11:22:13 -0500
From: Todd Caughey <caugheyt@...>
Subject: RE: Scrap Reporting on Operations

We are on 4.00.812 (struggling elsewhere to get to 5.2) and I was confused.
It is not a lock but rather the job can not be closed because inspection is
required. We would rather not have to go into the inspection screen and
"fail" the scrapped parts if there is a way to not require inspeciton or to
"auto-fail" all scrapped parts. Is this inspection required business a
"feature" of the quaility module? We are not using that module so if we
turn it off can we avoid this?

If I understand correctly then, there is no other inpact to G/L from making
the scapped parts as "failed"?

Thanks,
-Todd C.
At 11:22 AM 7/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>We are on 4.00.812 (struggling elsewhere to get to 5.2) and I was confused.
>It is not a lock but rather the job can not be closed because inspection is
>required. We would rather not have to go into the inspection screen and
>"fail" the scrapped parts if there is a way to not require inspeciton or to

This was a bad "feature" in 4.0. Epicor assumed you would want an
inspector to check over all those scrap parts for any salvageable ones. Of
course, in many cases scrap is scrap and you don't want to devote any more
time to it. So at 5.0 labor entry & data collection have separate fields
for "scrap" and "discrepant" qtys. Until you upgrade, you're stuck with it.

I set up a Ground control macro to simplify clearing out all the unwanted
scrap entries from Inspection Processing. Found that if you run them
through as "passed" it clears out inspection, leaves the scrap qty on the
job (for reporting) and does not change the job's completed quantities or
costs. That doesn't seem entirely logical, but it actually worked nicely
for us.

>If I understand correctly then, there is no other inpact to G/L from making
>the scapped parts as "failed"?

If you fail them, you'll have an INS-DMR and G/L transaction to go
with. If they're really scrap, try clearing them out as "passed" on a test
database. It will probably have the desired effect. Also, IIRC if you
fail them there's yet another step you'll have to clear out (not sure about
that one - it's been 8+ months since I looked at it.)

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338
I have confirmed with tech support that if we "un-install" the QA module it
will stop requiring inspection and will still allow reporting scrap qty and
reason. Later (in Sept.???) when we get to 5.2 we can turn it back on. The
problem is there is no way to selectively disable a module so we have to get
a new serial number and re-load all the license key codes for various
modules.

Thanks,
-Todd C.

-----Original Message-----
From: Wayne Cox [mailto:wmc20@...]
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:00 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Scrap Reporting on Operations


At 11:22 AM 7/31/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>We are on 4.00.812 (struggling elsewhere to get to 5.2) and I was confused.
>It is not a lock but rather the job can not be closed because inspection is
>required. We would rather not have to go into the inspection screen and
>"fail" the scrapped parts if there is a way to not require inspeciton or to

This was a bad "feature" in 4.0. Epicor assumed you would want an
inspector to check over all those scrap parts for any salvageable ones. Of
course, in many cases scrap is scrap and you don't want to devote any more
time to it. So at 5.0 labor entry & data collection have separate fields
for "scrap" and "discrepant" qtys. Until you upgrade, you're stuck with it.

I set up a Ground control macro to simplify clearing out all the unwanted
scrap entries from Inspection Processing. Found that if you run them
through as "passed" it clears out inspection, leaves the scrap qty on the
job (for reporting) and does not change the job's completed quantities or
costs. That doesn't seem entirely logical, but it actually worked nicely
for us.

>If I understand correctly then, there is no other inpact to G/L from making
>the scapped parts as "failed"?

If you fail them, you'll have an INS-DMR and G/L transaction to go
with. If they're really scrap, try clearing them out as "passed" on a test
database. It will probably have the desired effect. Also, IIRC if you
fail them there's yet another step you'll have to clear out (not sure about
that one - it's been 8+ months since I looked at it.)

-Wayne Cox
Twenty Three -- Information Technology Consulting
828-685-2338





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