Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage 8.03.400D

You're welcome! We've got to look out for one another! ;o)


Ian Hogan
Information Systems Manager
Standard Filter Corporation
760-929-8559 or 800-634-5837 (voice) - 760-929-1901 (fax)


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of parch1982
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 6:22 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage 8.03.400D



Ian:

I really appreciate your reply, especially the heads-up on the non-
taxable regions. The assumption that if it is a nontaxable sale then
it is a nonreportable sale is crazy.

Charging the correct sales tax and exempting the right customers has
always been a challenge for our company since it is a very manual
process, subject to "nontax" human interpretation and intervention.
(How many people actually understand charging and reporting sales tax
in over 8,000 taxing jurisdictions?) Thank you for the comments
regarding the customizations and locking down tax information. We
are definitely looking for ways to use Vantage to enhance our
compliance with exempting, taxing and reporting.

You were a big help and I sure do appreciate you taking the time to
post.

Janet

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Ian
Hogan" <ianhogan@...> wrote:
>
> Sure thing Janet. We set them up as we went along. If you can nail
down
> a good business process whereby those in accounting or tax
compliance
> are prompted to go in and establish these accounts, adding as you go
> could work fine (necessary anyway when you have a new tax item). I
would
> suggest making some customizations to your customer maintenance
dialog
> requiring this tax profile information. It is possible to add a new
> customer, create and order, a job, build product, ship and invoice
all
> without involving taxability. So if you have a customer who is
otherwise
> taxable and they are not set up correctly from the beginning to
have tax
> assessed, you will be able to post a sale to them without any tax
record
> or trail. V8 does not require any tax items by default, it provides
the
> ability, but rules are not coded into the app. Also, beware that
you can
> reassign and override tax assignments and taxability at the order
and
> invoice level. That is, those who do your orders or invoicing can
> incorrectly change tax types. Make customizations to lock users out
of
> this (by hiding filds on the dialogs worked for us). So that when
the
> tax profile is set for the customer (by someone who knows how to do
it
> ;o) it cannot be inadvertantly overridden anywhere down the line.
> Further, make sure you set up non-taxable regions and sales tax
types.
> Everywhere I know of you have to report to tax authorities not only
the
> sales and taxes you asses, but the sales which are exempt from taxes
> (Foreign Sales, Government, Interstate, etc.). In V8 if you make a
sale
> to a customer who has no tax profile, that sale will not show up on
any
> standard tax reports at all. V8 assumes that if it is not assigned
a tax
> profile that it is not taxable and that since it is not taxable it
must
> not be reportable. I think that is a major oversight and makes no
sense
> to anyone who has ever had to file a state sales tax return. We
created
> tax regions and sales tax types and assigned every customer to one
> whether they were a taxable sale within California or an exempt
sale to
> Latin America. That way everything shows up on our tax reports and
those
> that have tax assessed show up with their tax calcs and those exempt
> show up as well, only their taxable amounts and tax amounts are
zero. As
> far as our invoices go, the tax breakdown prints on them by
default, so
> we simply added logic at the Crystal level to preclude the section
from
> displaying if the tax type was one of these exempt varities.
>
> Best of luck to you!
>
>
> Ian Hogan
> Information Systems Manager
> Standard Filter Corporation
> 760-929-8559 or 800-634-5837 (voice) - 760-929-1901 (fax)
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of parch1982
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:12 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage
8.03.400D
>
>
>
> Thank you for your quick reply. I'm giving the method that you
> described a try.
>
> Did you set every possible region up or only the ones that you had
> prior taxable sales? I am asking this because we could have CA - 58
> regions; for GA - 159 regions; for OH - 92 regions; for NY - 77
> regions etc. So, we have the potential to have over 400 tax
> regions. I'm wondering how managable this will be in a drop down
> list for picking tax regions when setting up new customers (plus
> trying to figure out how to code them when we convert customer
> data).
>
> Again, thanks for your quick reply.
>
> Janet Lemon
> Business System Analyst
> Total Plastics, Inc.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> , "Ian
> Hogan" <ianhogan@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if this will help, but we too are in CA and have both
> > county and district taxes to contend with. Basically in V8 you
> create
> > your Sales Tax items (the taxes you need to asses and report on)
and
> > then Tax Regions (the areas Sales Tax items apply to) and within
Tax
> > Regions you select which Sales Tax items are applicable. For
> example in
> > California for say Mariposa County there is a Mariposa County
Sales
> Tax
> > and also a district tax. The way we have done it is to create CA -
> > Mariposa County as the Tax Region and then Mariposa County, CA
> Sales Tax
> > (with the current tax rate) as the first Sales Tax item and then
> > Mariposa County, CA District Tax as the second Sales Tax item, so
> in the
> > Tax Region view under the Tax Region CA - Mariposa County there
are
> two
> > associated Sales Tax items; Mariposa County, CA Sales Tax and
> Mariposa
> > County, CA District Tax. Each tax type calculates when you
invoice.
> We
> > have never used Avalara, only V8.
> >
> > Ian Hogan
> > Information Systems Manager
> > Standard Filter Corporation
> > 760-929-8559 or 800-634-5837 (voice) - 760-929-1901 (fax)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of parch1982
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:07 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage
8.03.400D
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm looking for a little insight on how to set up tax regions and
> sales
> > tax codes. We have several states that require reporting by
county
> > and/or city jurisdictions (CA, OH, GA, NY). Several jurisdictions
> have
> > the same rates; however, reporting is at the local level, so the
> sales
> > and tax still need to be broken out by local reporting
> jurisdiction.
> >
> > We'd like to be able to set up the tax regions and sales tax
codes
> so
> > that the correct rate is used to tax the invoice and the sales
tax
> > reports will be useful in reporting at the county (as well as
> state)
> > level.
> >
> > We are in the testing environment, going live later in 2008. The
> > Avalara tax connect program looks like a perfect solution to this
> > problem; however, is not on in our initial Go Live plan.
> >
> > I'd appreciate hearing how others have tackled this issue.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I'm looking for a little insight on how to set up tax regions and sales
tax codes. We have several states that require reporting by county
and/or city jurisdictions (CA, OH, GA, NY). Several jurisdictions have
the same rates; however, reporting is at the local level, so the sales
and tax still need to be broken out by local reporting jurisdiction.

We'd like to be able to set up the tax regions and sales tax codes so
that the correct rate is used to tax the invoice and the sales tax
reports will be useful in reporting at the county (as well as state)
level.

We are in the testing environment, going live later in 2008. The
Avalara tax connect program looks like a perfect solution to this
problem; however, is not on in our initial Go Live plan.

I'd appreciate hearing how others have tackled this issue.
I don't know if this will help, but we too are in CA and have both
county and district taxes to contend with. Basically in V8 you create
your Sales Tax items (the taxes you need to asses and report on) and
then Tax Regions (the areas Sales Tax items apply to) and within Tax
Regions you select which Sales Tax items are applicable. For example in
California for say Mariposa County there is a Mariposa County Sales Tax
and also a district tax. The way we have done it is to create CA -
Mariposa County as the Tax Region and then Mariposa County, CA Sales Tax
(with the current tax rate) as the first Sales Tax item and then
Mariposa County, CA District Tax as the second Sales Tax item, so in the
Tax Region view under the Tax Region CA - Mariposa County there are two
associated Sales Tax items; Mariposa County, CA Sales Tax and Mariposa
County, CA District Tax. Each tax type calculates when you invoice. We
have never used Avalara, only V8.

Ian Hogan
Information Systems Manager
Standard Filter Corporation
760-929-8559 or 800-634-5837 (voice) - 760-929-1901 (fax)


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of parch1982
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:07 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage 8.03.400D



I'm looking for a little insight on how to set up tax regions and sales
tax codes. We have several states that require reporting by county
and/or city jurisdictions (CA, OH, GA, NY). Several jurisdictions have
the same rates; however, reporting is at the local level, so the sales
and tax still need to be broken out by local reporting jurisdiction.

We'd like to be able to set up the tax regions and sales tax codes so
that the correct rate is used to tax the invoice and the sales tax
reports will be useful in reporting at the county (as well as state)
level.

We are in the testing environment, going live later in 2008. The
Avalara tax connect program looks like a perfect solution to this
problem; however, is not on in our initial Go Live plan.

I'd appreciate hearing how others have tackled this issue.






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Thank you for your quick reply. I'm giving the method that you
described a try.

Did you set every possible region up or only the ones that you had
prior taxable sales? I am asking this because we could have CA - 58
regions; for GA - 159 regions; for OH - 92 regions; for NY - 77
regions etc. So, we have the potential to have over 400 tax
regions. I'm wondering how managable this will be in a drop down
list for picking tax regions when setting up new customers (plus
trying to figure out how to code them when we convert customer
data).

Again, thanks for your quick reply.

Janet Lemon
Business System Analyst
Total Plastics, Inc.



--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Hogan" <ianhogan@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know if this will help, but we too are in CA and have both
> county and district taxes to contend with. Basically in V8 you
create
> your Sales Tax items (the taxes you need to asses and report on) and
> then Tax Regions (the areas Sales Tax items apply to) and within Tax
> Regions you select which Sales Tax items are applicable. For
example in
> California for say Mariposa County there is a Mariposa County Sales
Tax
> and also a district tax. The way we have done it is to create CA -
> Mariposa County as the Tax Region and then Mariposa County, CA
Sales Tax
> (with the current tax rate) as the first Sales Tax item and then
> Mariposa County, CA District Tax as the second Sales Tax item, so
in the
> Tax Region view under the Tax Region CA - Mariposa County there are
two
> associated Sales Tax items; Mariposa County, CA Sales Tax and
Mariposa
> County, CA District Tax. Each tax type calculates when you invoice.
We
> have never used Avalara, only V8.
>
> Ian Hogan
> Information Systems Manager
> Standard Filter Corporation
> 760-929-8559 or 800-634-5837 (voice) - 760-929-1901 (fax)
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of parch1982
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:07 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage 8.03.400D
>
>
>
> I'm looking for a little insight on how to set up tax regions and
sales
> tax codes. We have several states that require reporting by county
> and/or city jurisdictions (CA, OH, GA, NY). Several jurisdictions
have
> the same rates; however, reporting is at the local level, so the
sales
> and tax still need to be broken out by local reporting
jurisdiction.
>
> We'd like to be able to set up the tax regions and sales tax codes
so
> that the correct rate is used to tax the invoice and the sales tax
> reports will be useful in reporting at the county (as well as
state)
> level.
>
> We are in the testing environment, going live later in 2008. The
> Avalara tax connect program looks like a perfect solution to this
> problem; however, is not on in our initial Go Live plan.
>
> I'd appreciate hearing how others have tackled this issue.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
Sure thing Janet. We set them up as we went along. If you can nail down
a good business process whereby those in accounting or tax compliance
are prompted to go in and establish these accounts, adding as you go
could work fine (necessary anyway when you have a new tax item). I would
suggest making some customizations to your customer maintenance dialog
requiring this tax profile information. It is possible to add a new
customer, create and order, a job, build product, ship and invoice all
without involving taxability. So if you have a customer who is otherwise
taxable and they are not set up correctly from the beginning to have tax
assessed, you will be able to post a sale to them without any tax record
or trail. V8 does not require any tax items by default, it provides the
ability, but rules are not coded into the app. Also, beware that you can
reassign and override tax assignments and taxability at the order and
invoice level. That is, those who do your orders or invoicing can
incorrectly change tax types. Make customizations to lock users out of
this (by hiding filds on the dialogs worked for us). So that when the
tax profile is set for the customer (by someone who knows how to do it
;o) it cannot be inadvertantly overridden anywhere down the line.
Further, make sure you set up non-taxable regions and sales tax types.
Everywhere I know of you have to report to tax authorities not only the
sales and taxes you asses, but the sales which are exempt from taxes
(Foreign Sales, Government, Interstate, etc.). In V8 if you make a sale
to a customer who has no tax profile, that sale will not show up on any
standard tax reports at all. V8 assumes that if it is not assigned a tax
profile that it is not taxable and that since it is not taxable it must
not be reportable. I think that is a major oversight and makes no sense
to anyone who has ever had to file a state sales tax return. We created
tax regions and sales tax types and assigned every customer to one
whether they were a taxable sale within California or an exempt sale to
Latin America. That way everything shows up on our tax reports and those
that have tax assessed show up with their tax calcs and those exempt
show up as well, only their taxable amounts and tax amounts are zero. As
far as our invoices go, the tax breakdown prints on them by default, so
we simply added logic at the Crystal level to preclude the section from
displaying if the tax type was one of these exempt varities.

Best of luck to you!


Ian Hogan
Information Systems Manager
Standard Filter Corporation
760-929-8559 or 800-634-5837 (voice) - 760-929-1901 (fax)


________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of parch1982
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:12 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage 8.03.400D



Thank you for your quick reply. I'm giving the method that you
described a try.

Did you set every possible region up or only the ones that you had
prior taxable sales? I am asking this because we could have CA - 58
regions; for GA - 159 regions; for OH - 92 regions; for NY - 77
regions etc. So, we have the potential to have over 400 tax
regions. I'm wondering how managable this will be in a drop down
list for picking tax regions when setting up new customers (plus
trying to figure out how to code them when we convert customer
data).

Again, thanks for your quick reply.

Janet Lemon
Business System Analyst
Total Plastics, Inc.

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> , "Ian
Hogan" <ianhogan@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know if this will help, but we too are in CA and have both
> county and district taxes to contend with. Basically in V8 you
create
> your Sales Tax items (the taxes you need to asses and report on) and
> then Tax Regions (the areas Sales Tax items apply to) and within Tax
> Regions you select which Sales Tax items are applicable. For
example in
> California for say Mariposa County there is a Mariposa County Sales
Tax
> and also a district tax. The way we have done it is to create CA -
> Mariposa County as the Tax Region and then Mariposa County, CA
Sales Tax
> (with the current tax rate) as the first Sales Tax item and then
> Mariposa County, CA District Tax as the second Sales Tax item, so
in the
> Tax Region view under the Tax Region CA - Mariposa County there are
two
> associated Sales Tax items; Mariposa County, CA Sales Tax and
Mariposa
> County, CA District Tax. Each tax type calculates when you invoice.
We
> have never used Avalara, only V8.
>
> Ian Hogan
> Information Systems Manager
> Standard Filter Corporation
> 760-929-8559 or 800-634-5837 (voice) - 760-929-1901 (fax)
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf
> Of parch1982
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:07 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage 8.03.400D
>
>
>
> I'm looking for a little insight on how to set up tax regions and
sales
> tax codes. We have several states that require reporting by county
> and/or city jurisdictions (CA, OH, GA, NY). Several jurisdictions
have
> the same rates; however, reporting is at the local level, so the
sales
> and tax still need to be broken out by local reporting
jurisdiction.
>
> We'd like to be able to set up the tax regions and sales tax codes
so
> that the correct rate is used to tax the invoice and the sales tax
> reports will be useful in reporting at the county (as well as
state)
> level.
>
> We are in the testing environment, going live later in 2008. The
> Avalara tax connect program looks like a perfect solution to this
> problem; however, is not on in our initial Go Live plan.
>
> I'd appreciate hearing how others have tackled this issue.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Ian:

I really appreciate your reply, especially the heads-up on the non-
taxable regions. The assumption that if it is a nontaxable sale then
it is a nonreportable sale is crazy.

Charging the correct sales tax and exempting the right customers has
always been a challenge for our company since it is a very manual
process, subject to "nontax" human interpretation and intervention.
(How many people actually understand charging and reporting sales tax
in over 8,000 taxing jurisdictions?) Thank you for the comments
regarding the customizations and locking down tax information. We
are definitely looking for ways to use Vantage to enhance our
compliance with exempting, taxing and reporting.

You were a big help and I sure do appreciate you taking the time to
post.

Janet







--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Ian Hogan" <ianhogan@...> wrote:
>
> Sure thing Janet. We set them up as we went along. If you can nail
down
> a good business process whereby those in accounting or tax
compliance
> are prompted to go in and establish these accounts, adding as you go
> could work fine (necessary anyway when you have a new tax item). I
would
> suggest making some customizations to your customer maintenance
dialog
> requiring this tax profile information. It is possible to add a new
> customer, create and order, a job, build product, ship and invoice
all
> without involving taxability. So if you have a customer who is
otherwise
> taxable and they are not set up correctly from the beginning to
have tax
> assessed, you will be able to post a sale to them without any tax
record
> or trail. V8 does not require any tax items by default, it provides
the
> ability, but rules are not coded into the app. Also, beware that
you can
> reassign and override tax assignments and taxability at the order
and
> invoice level. That is, those who do your orders or invoicing can
> incorrectly change tax types. Make customizations to lock users out
of
> this (by hiding filds on the dialogs worked for us). So that when
the
> tax profile is set for the customer (by someone who knows how to do
it
> ;o) it cannot be inadvertantly overridden anywhere down the line.
> Further, make sure you set up non-taxable regions and sales tax
types.
> Everywhere I know of you have to report to tax authorities not only
the
> sales and taxes you asses, but the sales which are exempt from taxes
> (Foreign Sales, Government, Interstate, etc.). In V8 if you make a
sale
> to a customer who has no tax profile, that sale will not show up on
any
> standard tax reports at all. V8 assumes that if it is not assigned
a tax
> profile that it is not taxable and that since it is not taxable it
must
> not be reportable. I think that is a major oversight and makes no
sense
> to anyone who has ever had to file a state sales tax return. We
created
> tax regions and sales tax types and assigned every customer to one
> whether they were a taxable sale within California or an exempt
sale to
> Latin America. That way everything shows up on our tax reports and
those
> that have tax assessed show up with their tax calcs and those exempt
> show up as well, only their taxable amounts and tax amounts are
zero. As
> far as our invoices go, the tax breakdown prints on them by
default, so
> we simply added logic at the Crystal level to preclude the section
from
> displaying if the tax type was one of these exempt varities.
>
> Best of luck to you!
>
>
> Ian Hogan
> Information Systems Manager
> Standard Filter Corporation
> 760-929-8559 or 800-634-5837 (voice) - 760-929-1901 (fax)
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of parch1982
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:12 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Re: Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage
8.03.400D
>
>
>
> Thank you for your quick reply. I'm giving the method that you
> described a try.
>
> Did you set every possible region up or only the ones that you had
> prior taxable sales? I am asking this because we could have CA - 58
> regions; for GA - 159 regions; for OH - 92 regions; for NY - 77
> regions etc. So, we have the potential to have over 400 tax
> regions. I'm wondering how managable this will be in a drop down
> list for picking tax regions when setting up new customers (plus
> trying to figure out how to code them when we convert customer
> data).
>
> Again, thanks for your quick reply.
>
> Janet Lemon
> Business System Analyst
> Total Plastics, Inc.
>
> --- In vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> , "Ian
> Hogan" <ianhogan@> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if this will help, but we too are in CA and have both
> > county and district taxes to contend with. Basically in V8 you
> create
> > your Sales Tax items (the taxes you need to asses and report on)
and
> > then Tax Regions (the areas Sales Tax items apply to) and within
Tax
> > Regions you select which Sales Tax items are applicable. For
> example in
> > California for say Mariposa County there is a Mariposa County
Sales
> Tax
> > and also a district tax. The way we have done it is to create CA -
> > Mariposa County as the Tax Region and then Mariposa County, CA
> Sales Tax
> > (with the current tax rate) as the first Sales Tax item and then
> > Mariposa County, CA District Tax as the second Sales Tax item, so
> in the
> > Tax Region view under the Tax Region CA - Mariposa County there
are
> two
> > associated Sales Tax items; Mariposa County, CA Sales Tax and
> Mariposa
> > County, CA District Tax. Each tax type calculates when you
invoice.
> We
> > have never used Avalara, only V8.
> >
> > Ian Hogan
> > Information Systems Manager
> > Standard Filter Corporation
> > 760-929-8559 or 800-634-5837 (voice) - 760-929-1901 (fax)
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%
40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf
> > Of parch1982
> > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:07 AM
> > To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Tax regions and sales tax codes Vantage
8.03.400D
> >
> >
> >
> > I'm looking for a little insight on how to set up tax regions and
> sales
> > tax codes. We have several states that require reporting by
county
> > and/or city jurisdictions (CA, OH, GA, NY). Several jurisdictions
> have
> > the same rates; however, reporting is at the local level, so the
> sales
> > and tax still need to be broken out by local reporting
> jurisdiction.
> >
> > We'd like to be able to set up the tax regions and sales tax
codes
> so
> > that the correct rate is used to tax the invoice and the sales
tax
> > reports will be useful in reporting at the county (as well as
> state)
> > level.
> >
> > We are in the testing environment, going live later in 2008. The
> > Avalara tax connect program looks like a perfect solution to this
> > problem; however, is not on in our initial Go Live plan.
> >
> > I'd appreciate hearing how others have tackled this issue.
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