Windows 2003 Server. (We didn't install Office on the old server.)
Rebecca
P-K Tool
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Iverson
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
Are you guys talking about TS 2000 or the newer version? TS Windows 2000 has
different licensing restrictions.
Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rebecca Schmuck
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
I know Office on the TS has to be per workstation as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
Sue,
You might want to review your TS licensing - the last time I looked (and
called M$), the rule was that concurrent didn't fly and that you needed a
license for each workstation that "WOULD" access the TS. I think concurrent
use in regards to TS is the logical answer - but how many times does logic
fail when dealing with M$ and lawyers?
Thing may have changed.
Charles
Rebecca
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-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Iverson
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
Are you guys talking about TS 2000 or the newer version? TS Windows 2000 has
different licensing restrictions.
Sue
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rebecca Schmuck
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
I know Office on the TS has to be per workstation as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
Sue,
You might want to review your TS licensing - the last time I looked (and
called M$), the rule was that concurrent didn't fly and that you needed a
license for each workstation that "WOULD" access the TS. I think concurrent
use in regards to TS is the logical answer - but how many times does logic
fail when dealing with M$ and lawyers?
Thing may have changed.
Charles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Iverson" <siverson@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>I should have added that we only have 35 concurrent licenses. Not all
>100 users log in at the same time. Good info Mario.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Epicor does not recommend to open reports with Crystal Reports in TS.
As
> a matter of fact, no installation of Crystal reports should be done at
> TS because it will affect the functionality of some Vantage registered
> dll files as experienced by me in 5.1. All changes of reports should
be
> done in a computer that uses c:\epicor\mfgwrk61 as a temporary folder
> (connecting directly to the database without TS).
>
> Whenever a user logs off TS, the C:\temp\%user% folder will be deleted
> and no clean up is needed (all handled by TS). The maximum I used was
40
> users. Do not know of higher numbers and impact. I would test it this
> way specially when it cleans after itself. Also, TS should have enough
> disk space to handle the user files, profiles, etc (usually all
located
> on the C:\ Drive).
>
> The Uniprint server prints directly on the client's default printer,
or
> by changing settings, will preview and give you options such as email
as
> a pdf, save it as a pdf, or re-direct to another printer other than
the
> default one. This is a way to troubleshoot printing in remote sites.
If
> you activate the preview and the user can see the preview screen with
> the print job, the issue is local and not with TS. pfdfactory by
> Fineprint works fine to convert Vantage print jobs to PDF's locally.
>
> The port error could be annoying at times. My users do not pay
attention
> to this error anymore.
>
> The time that TS really shines is when you upgrade to a new version of
> Vantage. You control all your remote user base from one location and
if
> you have Citrix, you could do a lot more with Vantage and other
> applications.
>
> Like Sue says, weigh the good with the bad. I am just glad that all my
> systems are centralized!
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
> numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports.
We
> have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
> it.
>
>
>
> We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
> worlds so do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
> limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.
>
>
>
> I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.
>
>
>
> It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to
open
> up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
> bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
> use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this
so
> it was not an issue.
>
>
>
> We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage,
they
> get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we
log
> into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
> alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
> the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.
>
>
>
> One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a
decision.
> I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some
great
> advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
> concerned.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
> installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files
so
> the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care
of
> temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
> have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
> to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.
>
> I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
> uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
> pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
> engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
> every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
> all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
> create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
> print jobs to functioning servers.
>
> I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
> from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
> 75% of my user base.
>
> Good luck deciding...
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mike Lowe
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
> individual temp directories.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
> in a multi-plant environment.
>
> 1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to
send
> alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
> log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.
>
> 2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email
alerts
> like you would if you were using the client.
>
> 3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.
>
> 4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
> add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
> multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.
>
> 5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the
TS
> for your users' convenience.
>
> 6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.
>
>
>
> I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Charles Paluska - HPN
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
> shop like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not
> up
to
> the
> performance levels of Vantage version 8.
>
> Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
> less expensive with better performance to install a TS.
>
> I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven
of
> TS
> versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.
>
> If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
> warehouse or other outside processing or a sister facility - then
> having TS
makes
> communications through slower internet connections workable.
>
> There are other benefits from the standpoint of :
>
> 1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run
Vantage
> 2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
> client
> and you are ready to go.
> 3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
> without
> having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
> 4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
> applications -
> Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
> have a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11
simultaneous
> sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
> less bells and whistles and support)
> 5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
> 6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
> the
> Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.
>
> Downsides -
>
> If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
> tanks - your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
> workstations and at least a 100mbps switched network.
>
> Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)
>
> Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )
>
> TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors
from
>
> applications
> (One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by
TS.
>
> PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many
Faxing
> apps
> that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
> environment).
>
> Happy Days,
>
> Charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
> running
>> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
>> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
>> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the
hardware
>> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
>> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
>> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Lynn Sares
>> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
>> lynn@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Database marketing software
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> Manufacturing software
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ring+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softw
>
are&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database
> +marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=OG5F3819UOUOg63i0bu6kA>
>
> Membership database software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
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> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=N5BGdur84p-jyuOomcQdbQ>
>
> Database mortgage software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manuf
>
acturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+s
>
oftware&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Data
> base+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=8rvcSQnCqJhTCZu-0Si39A>
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> Pda database software
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ing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softwa
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re&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+
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>
> Database management software
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=R3CF3ODPY4gwjDZjykQYvw>
>
> Database marketing software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manu
>
facturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+
>
software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Dat
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> Manufacturing software
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufactu
>
ring+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softw
>
are&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database
> +marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=OG5F3819UOUOg63i0bu6kA>
> Membership database software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=N5BGdur84p-jyuOomcQdbQ>
> Database mortgage software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manuf
>
acturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+s
>
oftware&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Data
> base+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=8rvcSQnCqJhTCZu-0Si39A>
> Pda database software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufactur
>
ing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softwa
>
re&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+
> marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=u3KQrTRPAQfsWIT39aHDkg>
> Database
> management software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=R3CF3ODPY4gwjDZjykQYvw>
> Database marketing software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manu
>
facturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+
>
software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Dat
> abase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=lmBkRUiBtvHI1u5dkymDcw>
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> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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and
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
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(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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