Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1

Windows 2003 Server. (We didn't install Office on the old server.)

Rebecca
P-K Tool

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Susan Iverson
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1

Are you guys talking about TS 2000 or the newer version? TS Windows 2000 has
different licensing restrictions.





Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Rebecca Schmuck
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



I know Office on the TS has to be per workstation as well.



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1

Sue,

You might want to review your TS licensing - the last time I looked (and
called M$), the rule was that concurrent didn't fly and that you needed a
license for each workstation that "WOULD" access the TS. I think concurrent
use in regards to TS is the logical answer - but how many times does logic
fail when dealing with M$ and lawyers?

Thing may have changed.

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Iverson" <siverson@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


>I should have added that we only have 35 concurrent licenses. Not all
>100 users log in at the same time. Good info Mario.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Epicor does not recommend to open reports with Crystal Reports in TS.
As
> a matter of fact, no installation of Crystal reports should be done at
> TS because it will affect the functionality of some Vantage registered
> dll files as experienced by me in 5.1. All changes of reports should
be
> done in a computer that uses c:\epicor\mfgwrk61 as a temporary folder
> (connecting directly to the database without TS).
>
> Whenever a user logs off TS, the C:\temp\%user% folder will be deleted
> and no clean up is needed (all handled by TS). The maximum I used was
40
> users. Do not know of higher numbers and impact. I would test it this
> way specially when it cleans after itself. Also, TS should have enough
> disk space to handle the user files, profiles, etc (usually all
located
> on the C:\ Drive).
>
> The Uniprint server prints directly on the client's default printer,
or
> by changing settings, will preview and give you options such as email
as
> a pdf, save it as a pdf, or re-direct to another printer other than
the
> default one. This is a way to troubleshoot printing in remote sites.
If
> you activate the preview and the user can see the preview screen with
> the print job, the issue is local and not with TS. pfdfactory by
> Fineprint works fine to convert Vantage print jobs to PDF's locally.
>
> The port error could be annoying at times. My users do not pay
attention
> to this error anymore.
>
> The time that TS really shines is when you upgrade to a new version of
> Vantage. You control all your remote user base from one location and
if
> you have Citrix, you could do a lot more with Vantage and other
> applications.
>
> Like Sue says, weigh the good with the bad. I am just glad that all my
> systems are centralized!
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
> numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports.
We
> have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
> it.
>
>
>
> We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
> worlds so do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
> limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.
>
>
>
> I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.
>
>
>
> It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to
open
> up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
> bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
> use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this
so
> it was not an issue.
>
>
>
> We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage,
they
> get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we
log
> into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
> alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
> the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.
>
>
>
> One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a
decision.
> I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some
great
> advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
> concerned.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
> installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files
so
> the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care
of
> temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
> have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
> to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.
>
> I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
> uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
> pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
> engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
> every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
> all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
> create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
> print jobs to functioning servers.
>
> I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
> from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
> 75% of my user base.
>
> Good luck deciding...
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mike Lowe
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
> individual temp directories.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
> in a multi-plant environment.
>
> 1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to
send
> alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
> log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.
>
> 2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email
alerts
> like you would if you were using the client.
>
> 3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.
>
> 4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
> add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
> multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.
>
> 5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the
TS
> for your users' convenience.
>
> 6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.
>
>
>
> I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Charles Paluska - HPN
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
> shop like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not
> up
to
> the
> performance levels of Vantage version 8.
>
> Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
> less expensive with better performance to install a TS.
>
> I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven
of
> TS
> versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.
>
> If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
> warehouse or other outside processing or a sister facility - then
> having TS
makes
> communications through slower internet connections workable.
>
> There are other benefits from the standpoint of :
>
> 1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run
Vantage
> 2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
> client
> and you are ready to go.
> 3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
> without
> having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
> 4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
> applications -
> Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
> have a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11
simultaneous
> sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
> less bells and whistles and support)
> 5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
> 6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
> the
> Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.
>
> Downsides -
>
> If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
> tanks - your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
> workstations and at least a 100mbps switched network.
>
> Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)
>
> Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )
>
> TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors
from
>
> applications
> (One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by
TS.
>
> PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many
Faxing
> apps
> that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
> environment).
>
> Happy Days,
>
> Charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
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hardware
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>> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
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Hi:

I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been running
a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
comments on the administation of Terminal Server.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Lynn Sares
Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
lynn@...
The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small shop
like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to the
performance levels of Vantage version 8.

Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be less
expensive with better performance to install a TS.

I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of TS
versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.

If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a warehouse
or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
communications through slower internet connections workable.

There are other benefits from the standpoint of :

1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP client
and you are ready to go.
3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS without
having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
applications -
Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually have
a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but less
bells and whistles and support)
5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between the
Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.

Downsides -

If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it tanks -
your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated workstations
and at least a 100mbps switched network.

Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)

Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )

TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from
applications
(One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.
PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing apps
that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS environment).

Happy Days,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


> Hi:
>
> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been running
> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lynn Sares
> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
> lynn@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
in a multi-plant environment.

1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to send
alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.

2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email alerts
like you would if you were using the client.

3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.

4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.

5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the TS
for your users' convenience.

6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.



I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
shop
like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to
the
performance levels of Vantage version 8.

Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
less
expensive with better performance to install a TS.

I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of
TS
versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.

If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
warehouse
or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
communications through slower internet connections workable.

There are other benefits from the standpoint of :

1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
client
and you are ready to go.
3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
without
having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
applications -
Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
have
a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
less
bells and whistles and support)
5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
the
Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.

Downsides -

If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
tanks -
your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
workstations
and at least a 100mbps switched network.

Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)

Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )

TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from

applications
(One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.

PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing
apps
that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
environment).

Happy Days,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


> Hi:
>
> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
running
> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lynn Sares
> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
> lynn@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must

> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
)
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links




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As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up individual temp directories.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
in a multi-plant environment.

1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to send
alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.

2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email alerts
like you would if you were using the client.

3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.

4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.

5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the TS
for your users' convenience.

6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.



I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
shop
like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to
the
performance levels of Vantage version 8.

Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
less
expensive with better performance to install a TS.

I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of
TS
versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.

If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
warehouse
or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
communications through slower internet connections workable.

There are other benefits from the standpoint of :

1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
client
and you are ready to go.
3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
without
having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
applications -
Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
have
a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
less
bells and whistles and support)
5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
the
Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.

Downsides -

If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
tanks -
your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
workstations
and at least a 100mbps switched network.

Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)

Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )

TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from

applications
(One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.

PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing
apps
that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
environment).

Happy Days,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


> Hi:
>
> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
running
> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lynn Sares
> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
> lynn@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must

> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
)
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files so
the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care of
temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.

I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
print jobs to functioning servers.

I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
75% of my user base.

Good luck deciding...

Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
Lakin General Corp., Inc.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Lowe
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
individual temp directories.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
in a multi-plant environment.

1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to send
alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.

2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email alerts
like you would if you were using the client.

3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.

4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.

5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the TS
for your users' convenience.

6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.



I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
shop
like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to
the
performance levels of Vantage version 8.

Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
less
expensive with better performance to install a TS.

I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of
TS
versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.

If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
warehouse
or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
communications through slower internet connections workable.

There are other benefits from the standpoint of :

1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
client
and you are ready to go.
3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
without
having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
applications -
Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
have
a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
less
bells and whistles and support)
5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
the
Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.

Downsides -

If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
tanks -
your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
workstations
and at least a 100mbps switched network.

Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)

Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )

TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from

applications
(One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.

PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing
apps
that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
environment).

Happy Days,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


> Hi:
>
> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
running
> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lynn Sares
> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
> lynn@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must

> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
)
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
< http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports. We
have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
it.



We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
worlds so we do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.



I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.



It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to open
up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this so
it was not an issue.



We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage, they
get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we log
into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.



One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a decision.
I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some great
advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
concerned.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mario Aguirre
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files so
the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care of
temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.

I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
print jobs to functioning servers.

I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
75% of my user base.

Good luck deciding...

Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
Lakin General Corp., Inc.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Lowe
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
individual temp directories.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
in a multi-plant environment.

1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to send
alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.

2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email alerts
like you would if you were using the client.

3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.

4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.

5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the TS
for your users' convenience.

6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.



I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
shop
like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to
the
performance levels of Vantage version 8.

Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
less
expensive with better performance to install a TS.

I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of
TS
versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.

If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
warehouse
or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
communications through slower internet connections workable.

There are other benefits from the standpoint of :

1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
client
and you are ready to go.
3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
without
having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
applications -
Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
have
a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
less
bells and whistles and support)
5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
the
Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.

Downsides -

If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
tanks -
your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
workstations
and at least a 100mbps switched network.

Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)

Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )

TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from

applications
(One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.

PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing
apps
that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
environment).

Happy Days,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


> Hi:
>
> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
running
> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lynn Sares
> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
> lynn@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
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In your Terminal Server .mfg file, use the following setting "TempDirectory=".

Vantage will then use the user's temp directory in their profile and all files disappear when they log off Terminal Server.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Iverson" <siverson@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:26 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports. We
have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
it.



We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
worlds so we do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.



I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.



It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to open
up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this so
it was not an issue.



We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage, they
get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we log
into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.



One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a decision.
I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some great
advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
concerned.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mario Aguirre
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files so
the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care of
temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.

I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
print jobs to functioning servers.

I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
75% of my user base.

Good luck deciding...

Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
Lakin General Corp., Inc.

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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Lowe
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
individual temp directories.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
in a multi-plant environment.

1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to send
alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.

2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email alerts
like you would if you were using the client.

3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.

4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.

5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the TS
for your users' convenience.

6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.



I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
shop
like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to
the
performance levels of Vantage version 8.

Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
less
expensive with better performance to install a TS.

I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of
TS
versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.

If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
warehouse
or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
communications through slower internet connections workable.

There are other benefits from the standpoint of :

1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
client
and you are ready to go.
3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
without
having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
applications -
Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
have
a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
less
bells and whistles and support)
5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
the
Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.

Downsides -

If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
tanks -
your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
workstations
and at least a 100mbps switched network.

Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)

Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )

TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from

applications
(One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.

PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing
apps
that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
environment).

Happy Days,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


> Hi:
>
> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
running
> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lynn Sares
> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
> lynn@...


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage, they
>get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we log
>into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
>alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
>the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.


>Sue

Below is my posting on this from Septerber 2005. Our alerts work perfectly
with no email link port setup. All our users use Terminal Server including
local users.

John Walter

We appear to have solved this problem today, Aaron is correct it is caused
by the Global Alert Email Message port. Only one session of Vantage can
'listen' on this port and under TS you will have multiple sessions all
trying to 'listen' hence the advice that it is busy. The first user to login
each day would not get the error but subsequent users do. To fix it we
deleted the Email link port number from the setup and tested that email
alerts still worked. So far the alerts work and the tcp error has gone.

I have not been able to find out what this Email link port is used for, it
seems unnecessary (but I could get caught out on that soon) and if it is
needed then Epicor needs to resolve this for their Terminal Server
Customers.

Note, this is NOT the SMTP Port (25), that port is necessary for sending
emails and multiple users in TS can connect to it.

John Walter
Hufcor Pty Ltd
Epicor does not recommend to open reports with Crystal Reports in TS. As
a matter of fact, no installation of Crystal reports should be done at
TS because it will affect the functionality of some Vantage registered
dll files as experienced by me in 5.1. All changes of reports should be
done in a computer that uses c:\epicor\mfgwrk61 as a temporary folder
(connecting directly to the database without TS).

Whenever a user logs off TS, the C:\temp\%user% folder will be deleted
and no clean up is needed (all handled by TS). The maximum I used was 40
users. Do not know of higher numbers and impact. I would test it this
way specially when it cleans after itself. Also, TS should have enough
disk space to handle the user files, profiles, etc (usually all located
on the C:\ Drive).

The Uniprint server prints directly on the client's default printer, or
by changing settings, will preview and give you options such as email as
a pdf, save it as a pdf, or re-direct to another printer other than the
default one. This is a way to troubleshoot printing in remote sites. If
you activate the preview and the user can see the preview screen with
the print job, the issue is local and not with TS. pfdfactory by
Fineprint works fine to convert Vantage print jobs to PDF's locally.

The port error could be annoying at times. My users do not pay attention
to this error anymore.

The time that TS really shines is when you upgrade to a new version of
Vantage. You control all your remote user base from one location and if
you have Citrix, you could do a lot more with Vantage and other
applications.

Like Sue says, weigh the good with the bad. I am just glad that all my
systems are centralized!

Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
Lakin General Corp., Inc.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports. We
have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
it.



We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
worlds so do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.



I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.



It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to open
up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this so
it was not an issue.



We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage, they
get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we log
into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.



One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a decision.
I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some great
advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
concerned.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mario Aguirre
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files so
the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care of
temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.

I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
print jobs to functioning servers.

I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
75% of my user base.

Good luck deciding...

Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
Lakin General Corp., Inc.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Lowe
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
individual temp directories.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
in a multi-plant environment.

1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to send
alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.

2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email alerts
like you would if you were using the client.

3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.

4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.

5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the TS
for your users' convenience.

6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.



I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
shop
like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to
the
performance levels of Vantage version 8.

Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
less
expensive with better performance to install a TS.

I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of
TS
versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.

If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
warehouse
or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
communications through slower internet connections workable.

There are other benefits from the standpoint of :

1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
client
and you are ready to go.
3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
without
having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
applications -
Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
have
a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
less
bells and whistles and support)
5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
the
Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.

Downsides -

If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
tanks -
your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
workstations
and at least a 100mbps switched network.

Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)

Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )

TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from

applications
(One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.

PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing
apps
that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
environment).

Happy Days,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


> Hi:
>
> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
running
> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lynn Sares
> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
> lynn@...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must

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)
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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I should have added that we only have 35 concurrent licenses. Not all
100 users log in at the same time. Good info Mario.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mario Aguirre
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:37 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



Epicor does not recommend to open reports with Crystal Reports in TS. As
a matter of fact, no installation of Crystal reports should be done at
TS because it will affect the functionality of some Vantage registered
dll files as experienced by me in 5.1. All changes of reports should be
done in a computer that uses c:\epicor\mfgwrk61 as a temporary folder
(connecting directly to the database without TS).

Whenever a user logs off TS, the C:\temp\%user% folder will be deleted
and no clean up is needed (all handled by TS). The maximum I used was 40
users. Do not know of higher numbers and impact. I would test it this
way specially when it cleans after itself. Also, TS should have enough
disk space to handle the user files, profiles, etc (usually all located
on the C:\ Drive).

The Uniprint server prints directly on the client's default printer, or
by changing settings, will preview and give you options such as email as
a pdf, save it as a pdf, or re-direct to another printer other than the
default one. This is a way to troubleshoot printing in remote sites. If
you activate the preview and the user can see the preview screen with
the print job, the issue is local and not with TS. pfdfactory by
Fineprint works fine to convert Vantage print jobs to PDF's locally.

The port error could be annoying at times. My users do not pay attention
to this error anymore.

The time that TS really shines is when you upgrade to a new version of
Vantage. You control all your remote user base from one location and if
you have Citrix, you could do a lot more with Vantage and other
applications.

Like Sue says, weigh the good with the bad. I am just glad that all my
systems are centralized!

Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
Lakin General Corp., Inc.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:26 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports. We
have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
it.



We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
worlds so do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.



I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.



It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to open
up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this so
it was not an issue.



We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage, they
get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we log
into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.



One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a decision.
I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some great
advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
concerned.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mario Aguirre
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files so
the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care of
temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.

I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
print jobs to functioning servers.

I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
75% of my user base.

Good luck deciding...

Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
Lakin General Corp., Inc.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike Lowe
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
individual temp directories.

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
in a multi-plant environment.

1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to send
alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.

2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email alerts
like you would if you were using the client.

3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.

4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.

5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the TS
for your users' convenience.

6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.



I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.



Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
shop
like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to
the
performance levels of Vantage version 8.

Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
less
expensive with better performance to install a TS.

I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of
TS
versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.

If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
warehouse
or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
communications through slower internet connections workable.

There are other benefits from the standpoint of :

1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
client
and you are ready to go.
3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
without
having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
applications -
Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
have
a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
less
bells and whistles and support)
5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
the
Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.

Downsides -

If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
tanks -
your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
workstations
and at least a 100mbps switched network.

Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)

Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )

TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from

applications
(One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.

PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing
apps
that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
environment).

Happy Days,

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


> Hi:
>
> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
running
> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>
> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Lynn Sares
> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
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>
>
>
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Sue,

You might want to review your TS licensing - the last time I looked (and
called M$), the rule was that concurrent didn't fly and that you needed a
license for each workstation that "WOULD" access the TS. I think concurrent
use in regards to TS is the logical answer - but how many times does logic
fail when dealing with M$ and lawyers?

Thing may have changed.

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Iverson" <siverson@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


>I should have added that we only have 35 concurrent licenses. Not all
> 100 users log in at the same time. Good info Mario.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Epicor does not recommend to open reports with Crystal Reports in TS. As
> a matter of fact, no installation of Crystal reports should be done at
> TS because it will affect the functionality of some Vantage registered
> dll files as experienced by me in 5.1. All changes of reports should be
> done in a computer that uses c:\epicor\mfgwrk61 as a temporary folder
> (connecting directly to the database without TS).
>
> Whenever a user logs off TS, the C:\temp\%user% folder will be deleted
> and no clean up is needed (all handled by TS). The maximum I used was 40
> users. Do not know of higher numbers and impact. I would test it this
> way specially when it cleans after itself. Also, TS should have enough
> disk space to handle the user files, profiles, etc (usually all located
> on the C:\ Drive).
>
> The Uniprint server prints directly on the client's default printer, or
> by changing settings, will preview and give you options such as email as
> a pdf, save it as a pdf, or re-direct to another printer other than the
> default one. This is a way to troubleshoot printing in remote sites. If
> you activate the preview and the user can see the preview screen with
> the print job, the issue is local and not with TS. pfdfactory by
> Fineprint works fine to convert Vantage print jobs to PDF's locally.
>
> The port error could be annoying at times. My users do not pay attention
> to this error anymore.
>
> The time that TS really shines is when you upgrade to a new version of
> Vantage. You control all your remote user base from one location and if
> you have Citrix, you could do a lot more with Vantage and other
> applications.
>
> Like Sue says, weigh the good with the bad. I am just glad that all my
> systems are centralized!
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
> numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports. We
> have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
> it.
>
>
>
> We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
> worlds so do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
> limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.
>
>
>
> I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.
>
>
>
> It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to open
> up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
> bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
> use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this so
> it was not an issue.
>
>
>
> We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage, they
> get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we log
> into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
> alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
> the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.
>
>
>
> One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a decision.
> I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some great
> advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
> concerned.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
> installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files so
> the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care of
> temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
> have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
> to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.
>
> I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
> uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
> pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
> engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
> every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
> all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
> create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
> print jobs to functioning servers.
>
> I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
> from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
> 75% of my user base.
>
> Good luck deciding...
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Lowe
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
> individual temp directories.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
> in a multi-plant environment.
>
> 1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to send
> alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
> log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.
>
> 2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email alerts
> like you would if you were using the client.
>
> 3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.
>
> 4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
> add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
> multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.
>
> 5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the TS
> for your users' convenience.
>
> 6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.
>
>
>
> I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Charles Paluska - HPN
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
> shop
> like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to
> the
> performance levels of Vantage version 8.
>
> Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
> less
> expensive with better performance to install a TS.
>
> I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of
> TS
> versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.
>
> If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
> warehouse
> or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
> communications through slower internet connections workable.
>
> There are other benefits from the standpoint of :
>
> 1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
> 2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
> client
> and you are ready to go.
> 3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
> without
> having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
> 4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
> applications -
> Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
> have
> a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
> sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
> less
> bells and whistles and support)
> 5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
> 6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
> the
> Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.
>
> Downsides -
>
> If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
> tanks -
> your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
> workstations
> and at least a 100mbps switched network.
>
> Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)
>
> Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )
>
> TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from
>
> applications
> (One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.
>
> PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing
> apps
> that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
> environment).
>
> Happy Days,
>
> Charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
> running
>> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
>> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
>> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
>> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
>> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
>> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Lynn Sares
>> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
>> lynn@...
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> Pda database software
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> ing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softwa
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I know Office on the TS has to be per workstation as well.



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1

Sue,

You might want to review your TS licensing - the last time I looked (and
called M$), the rule was that concurrent didn't fly and that you needed a
license for each workstation that "WOULD" access the TS. I think concurrent
use in regards to TS is the logical answer - but how many times does logic
fail when dealing with M$ and lawyers?

Thing may have changed.

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Iverson" <siverson@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


>I should have added that we only have 35 concurrent licenses. Not all
> 100 users log in at the same time. Good info Mario.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Epicor does not recommend to open reports with Crystal Reports in TS. As
> a matter of fact, no installation of Crystal reports should be done at
> TS because it will affect the functionality of some Vantage registered
> dll files as experienced by me in 5.1. All changes of reports should be
> done in a computer that uses c:\epicor\mfgwrk61 as a temporary folder
> (connecting directly to the database without TS).
>
> Whenever a user logs off TS, the C:\temp\%user% folder will be deleted
> and no clean up is needed (all handled by TS). The maximum I used was 40
> users. Do not know of higher numbers and impact. I would test it this
> way specially when it cleans after itself. Also, TS should have enough
> disk space to handle the user files, profiles, etc (usually all located
> on the C:\ Drive).
>
> The Uniprint server prints directly on the client's default printer, or
> by changing settings, will preview and give you options such as email as
> a pdf, save it as a pdf, or re-direct to another printer other than the
> default one. This is a way to troubleshoot printing in remote sites. If
> you activate the preview and the user can see the preview screen with
> the print job, the issue is local and not with TS. pfdfactory by
> Fineprint works fine to convert Vantage print jobs to PDF's locally.
>
> The port error could be annoying at times. My users do not pay attention
> to this error anymore.
>
> The time that TS really shines is when you upgrade to a new version of
> Vantage. You control all your remote user base from one location and if
> you have Citrix, you could do a lot more with Vantage and other
> applications.
>
> Like Sue says, weigh the good with the bad. I am just glad that all my
> systems are centralized!
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
> numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports. We
> have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
> it.
>
>
>
> We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
> worlds so do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
> limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.
>
>
>
> I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.
>
>
>
> It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to open
> up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
> bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
> use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this so
> it was not an issue.
>
>
>
> We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage, they
> get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we log
> into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
> alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
> the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.
>
>
>
> One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a decision.
> I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some great
> advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
> concerned.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
> installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files so
> the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care of
> temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
> have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
> to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.
>
> I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
> uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
> pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
> engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
> every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
> all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
> create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
> print jobs to functioning servers.
>
> I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
> from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
> 75% of my user base.
>
> Good luck deciding...
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Mike Lowe
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
> individual temp directories.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
> in a multi-plant environment.
>
> 1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to send
> alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
> log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.
>
> 2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email alerts
> like you would if you were using the client.
>
> 3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.
>
> 4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
> add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
> multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.
>
> 5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the TS
> for your users' convenience.
>
> 6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.
>
>
>
> I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Charles Paluska - HPN
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
> shop
> like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up to
> the
> performance levels of Vantage version 8.
>
> Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
> less
> expensive with better performance to install a TS.
>
> I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven of
> TS
> versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.
>
> If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
> warehouse
> or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS makes
> communications through slower internet connections workable.
>
> There are other benefits from the standpoint of :
>
> 1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run Vantage
> 2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
> client
> and you are ready to go.
> 3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
> without
> having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
> 4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
> applications -
> Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
> have
> a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11 simultaneous
> sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
> less
> bells and whistles and support)
> 5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
> 6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
> the
> Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.
>
> Downsides -
>
> If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
> tanks -
> your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
> workstations
> and at least a 100mbps switched network.
>
> Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)
>
> Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )
>
> TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors from
>
> applications
> (One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by TS.
>
> PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many Faxing
> apps
> that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
> environment).
>
> Happy Days,
>
> Charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
> running
>> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
>> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
>> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the hardware
>> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
>> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
>> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Lynn Sares
>> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
>> lynn@...
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Are you guys talking about TS 2000 or the newer version? TS Windows 2000
has different licensing restrictions.





Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rebecca Schmuck
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



I know Office on the TS has to be per workstation as well.



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1

Sue,

You might want to review your TS licensing - the last time I looked (and
called M$), the rule was that concurrent didn't fly and that you needed
a
license for each workstation that "WOULD" access the TS. I think
concurrent
use in regards to TS is the logical answer - but how many times does
logic
fail when dealing with M$ and lawyers?

Thing may have changed.

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Iverson" <siverson@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


>I should have added that we only have 35 concurrent licenses. Not all
> 100 users log in at the same time. Good info Mario.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Epicor does not recommend to open reports with Crystal Reports in TS.
As
> a matter of fact, no installation of Crystal reports should be done at
> TS because it will affect the functionality of some Vantage registered
> dll files as experienced by me in 5.1. All changes of reports should
be
> done in a computer that uses c:\epicor\mfgwrk61 as a temporary folder
> (connecting directly to the database without TS).
>
> Whenever a user logs off TS, the C:\temp\%user% folder will be deleted
> and no clean up is needed (all handled by TS). The maximum I used was
40
> users. Do not know of higher numbers and impact. I would test it this
> way specially when it cleans after itself. Also, TS should have enough
> disk space to handle the user files, profiles, etc (usually all
located
> on the C:\ Drive).
>
> The Uniprint server prints directly on the client's default printer,
or
> by changing settings, will preview and give you options such as email
as
> a pdf, save it as a pdf, or re-direct to another printer other than
the
> default one. This is a way to troubleshoot printing in remote sites.
If
> you activate the preview and the user can see the preview screen with
> the print job, the issue is local and not with TS. pfdfactory by
> Fineprint works fine to convert Vantage print jobs to PDF's locally.
>
> The port error could be annoying at times. My users do not pay
attention
> to this error anymore.
>
> The time that TS really shines is when you upgrade to a new version of
> Vantage. You control all your remote user base from one location and
if
> you have Citrix, you could do a lot more with Vantage and other
> applications.
>
> Like Sue says, weigh the good with the bad. I am just glad that all my
> systems are centralized!
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
> numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports.
We
> have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
> it.
>
>
>
> We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
> worlds so do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
> limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.
>
>
>
> I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.
>
>
>
> It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to
open
> up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
> bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
> use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this
so
> it was not an issue.
>
>
>
> We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage,
they
> get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we
log
> into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
> alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
> the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.
>
>
>
> One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a
decision.
> I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some
great
> advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
> concerned.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
> installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files
so
> the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care
of
> temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
> have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
> to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.
>
> I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
> uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
> pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
> engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
> every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
> all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
> create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
> print jobs to functioning servers.
>
> I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
> from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
> 75% of my user base.
>
> Good luck deciding...
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mike Lowe
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
> individual temp directories.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
> in a multi-plant environment.
>
> 1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to
send
> alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
> log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.
>
> 2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email
alerts
> like you would if you were using the client.
>
> 3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.
>
> 4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
> add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
> multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.
>
> 5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the
TS
> for your users' convenience.
>
> 6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.
>
>
>
> I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Charles Paluska - HPN
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
> shop
> like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up
to
> the
> performance levels of Vantage version 8.
>
> Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
> less
> expensive with better performance to install a TS.
>
> I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven
of
> TS
> versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.
>
> If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
> warehouse
> or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS
makes
> communications through slower internet connections workable.
>
> There are other benefits from the standpoint of :
>
> 1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run
Vantage
> 2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
> client
> and you are ready to go.
> 3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
> without
> having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
> 4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
> applications -
> Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
> have
> a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11
simultaneous
> sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
> less
> bells and whistles and support)
> 5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
> 6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
> the
> Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.
>
> Downsides -
>
> If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
> tanks -
> your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
> workstations
> and at least a 100mbps switched network.
>
> Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)
>
> Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )
>
> TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors
from
>
> applications
> (One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by
TS.
>
> PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many
Faxing
> apps
> that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
> environment).
>
> Happy Days,
>
> Charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
> running
>> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
>> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
>> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the
hardware
>> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
>> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
>> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Lynn Sares
>> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
>> lynn@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Actually the licensing for Windows 2000 Server was still free. You could
connect any Windows 2000 Pro or XP client to a Win2K Server. CAL is
built into the client. That changed with W2k3. You now need to purchase
per device CALS for each machine to connect. There is a 180 day
temporary license grace period that starts on the day you install the TS
Services. After 180 days you either purchase appropriate number of CALS
or it will no longer accept connections.

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Susan Iverson
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 10:42 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


Are you guys talking about TS 2000 or the newer version? TS Windows 2000
has different licensing restrictions.





Sue



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Rebecca Schmuck
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1



I know Office on the TS has to be per workstation as well.



-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of
Charles Paluska - HPN
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:28 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1

Sue,

You might want to review your TS licensing - the last time I looked (and
called M$), the rule was that concurrent didn't fly and that you needed
a
license for each workstation that "WOULD" access the TS. I think
concurrent
use in regards to TS is the logical answer - but how many times does
logic
fail when dealing with M$ and lawyers?

Thing may have changed.

Charles


----- Original Message -----
From: "Susan Iverson" <siverson@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:51 PM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1


>I should have added that we only have 35 concurrent licenses. Not all
> 100 users log in at the same time. Good info Mario.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 6:37 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Epicor does not recommend to open reports with Crystal Reports in TS.
As
> a matter of fact, no installation of Crystal reports should be done at
> TS because it will affect the functionality of some Vantage registered
> dll files as experienced by me in 5.1. All changes of reports should
be
> done in a computer that uses c:\epicor\mfgwrk61 as a temporary folder
> (connecting directly to the database without TS).
>
> Whenever a user logs off TS, the C:\temp\%user% folder will be deleted
> and no clean up is needed (all handled by TS). The maximum I used was
40
> users. Do not know of higher numbers and impact. I would test it this
> way specially when it cleans after itself. Also, TS should have enough
> disk space to handle the user files, profiles, etc (usually all
located
> on the C:\ Drive).
>
> The Uniprint server prints directly on the client's default printer,
or
> by changing settings, will preview and give you options such as email
as
> a pdf, save it as a pdf, or re-direct to another printer other than
the
> default one. This is a way to troubleshoot printing in remote sites.
If
> you activate the preview and the user can see the preview screen with
> the print job, the issue is local and not with TS. pfdfactory by
> Fineprint works fine to convert Vantage print jobs to PDF's locally.
>
> The port error could be annoying at times. My users do not pay
attention
> to this error anymore.
>
> The time that TS really shines is when you upgrade to a new version of
> Vantage. You control all your remote user base from one location and
if
> you have Citrix, you could do a lot more with Vantage and other
> applications.
>
> Like Sue says, weigh the good with the bad. I am just glad that all my
> systems are centralized!
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:26 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> We ignored the temp directory issue in the beginning until we ran into
> numerous problems involving opening standard Vantage Crystal reports.
We
> have over 100 users and one temp directory just wasn't able to handle
> it.
>
>
>
> We can convert files to PDF also but our users want to live in both
> worlds so do what we can to provide them their printers - up to a
> limit. This could become a full-time job if we let it.
>
>
>
> I have a task scheduled to clean up the temp folders once a month.
>
>
>
> It's the small things that add up to a big thing. If being able to
open
> up the transaction from an emailed alert was one of the reasons you
> bought Vantage in the first place, well then maybe you do not want to
> use TS if you can get away with it. Preferably, Epicor would fix this
so
> it was not an issue.
>
>
>
> We setup our alerts on a port so whenever anyone logs into Vantage,
they
> get a port busy error because we are all using that port whenever we
log
> into TS. If you're not getting it, you must have some magic wand. The
> alerts get sent to our internal server (no problem there) - it's just
> the error message is a pain and the attachments don't open.
>
>
>
> One must weigh all the positives and negatives before making a
decision.
> I'm just trying to shed some light on some negatives - TS has some
great
> advantages but it is not all sweetness and light where Vantage 6.1 is
> concerned.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mario Aguirre
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:38 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> Neither have I. I pretty much ignore the instructions from Epicor. I
> installed Progress and Vantage for Client and created new .mfg files
so
> the temporary directory is empty. As a matter of fact, TS takes care
of
> temporary folders on C:\temp\%user%. . I am in 6.1 with TS-NT. Do not
> have any problems with ports (one problem with crystal). I send alerts
> to our outsource email serving without using TS WO a problem.
>
> I solve the printing issue (big inclusive in TS2003) by installing
> uniprint server and client. This application converts print jobs to
> pdf's and send to the client. At the client, it uses an acrobat reader
> engine to convert pdf's to print jobs. No need to install drivers for
> every printer in the world. The latest, you can print to pdf and email
> all with the same Uniprint client. Now, they have other products that
> create more than one print server in case one of them fail and direct
> print jobs to functioning servers.
>
> I will not use TS to connect people locally. I use it to run Vantage
> from anywhere other than local - have users in 4 states whom represent
> 75% of my user base.
>
> Good luck deciding...
>
> Mario Aguirre - IT Manager
> Lakin General Corp., Inc.
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Mike Lowe
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:10 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> As an FYI...I'm running in a TS environment and haven't set up
> individual temp directories.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf
> Of Susan Iverson
> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:03 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
> TS has a lot of other drawbacks - I'd skip it if I could but we cannot
> in a multi-plant environment.
>
> 1.) You will experience port issues, especially if you want to
send
> alerts. It causes the program to issue an error message every time you
> log into Vantage. Trust me - it gets old.
>
> 2.) You won't be able to read attachments sent in your email
alerts
> like you would if you were using the client.
>
> 3.) Every user will have to have their own temp directory.
>
> 4.) Some printers will not be recognized by the TS and attempts to
> add the drivers manually may succeed or crash your TS. TS hates
> multi-functional fax/copiers/printers.
>
> 5.) You will still need licensing for any program you put on the
TS
> for your users' convenience.
>
> 6.) I know there are more issues but I've got work to do.
>
>
>
> I would so much prefer to use the client than TS.
>
>
>
> Sue
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf
> Of Charles Paluska - HPN
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:42 PM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>
> The only reason that Terminal Services would be beneficial to a small
> shop
> like yours is if your network and associated workstations are not up
to
> the
> performance levels of Vantage version 8.
>
> Instead of upgrading your network and replacing 25 pc's, it should be
> less
> expensive with better performance to install a TS.
>
> I believe someone on the board posted a cost analysis with breakeven
of
> TS
> versus Winstations versus standard pc's just a short time ago.
>
> If your company is expecting to add on external users, such as a
> warehouse
> or other outside processing or a sister facility - then having TS
makes
> communications through slower internet connections workable.
>
> There are other benefits from the standpoint of :
>
> 1. Any windows workstation w98 and higher can be used to run
Vantage
> 2. Minimum setup of replacement workstations - just install RDP
> client
> and you are ready to go.
> 3. Office applications and most other apps can be hosted by TS
> without
> having to install at the local workstation. A real time saver
> 4. Allows for the possibility of other OS's to access Windows
> applications -
> Thinsoft sells clients for Linux and I think Mac's. (They actually
> have
> a Poor Man's TS - Runs on XP and can handle - I think - 11
simultaneous
> sessions - That might work for you and it's a boat load cheaper - but
> less
> bells and whistles and support)
> 5. Slow connections run as fast as any others
> 6. For maximizing performance - only the network connection between
> the
> Vantage server and the TS need to be optimized.
>
> Downsides -
>
> If you install only one TS - all your eggs are in one basket - if it
> tanks -
> your dead in the water unless you have a few Vantage v8 rated
> workstations
> and at least a 100mbps switched network.
>
> Yet another box to care and feed (possibily two for redundancy)
>
> Additional Licenses to buy ( More $$$$ More $$$$ )
>
> TS is a mutation - therefore expect unforeseen issues and behaviors
from
>
> applications
> (One that I have run into is creating PDF files on session hosted by
TS.
>
> PDF is created by printing to a PDF Printer - much like the many
Faxing
> apps
> that create a virtual printer. The driver just hated the TS
> environment).
>
> Happy Days,
>
> Charles
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "lsares815" <lynn@...>
> To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:36 AM
> Subject: [Vantage] Terminal Server with Vantage 6.0 or 6.1
>
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I'm new to the group and looking for some advice. We have been
> running
>> a small installation of Vantage for 6 years, always using Windows
>> servers with PC clients. We have about 25 computers, but only 10
>> Vantage licences. We are going to replace our server and the
hardware
>> vendor is recommending Terminal Server. Does anybody out there have
>> any advice as to why or why not to go with Terminal Server, including
>> comments on the administation of Terminal Server.
>>
>> Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Lynn Sares
>> Hy-Tech Controls, Inc.
>> lynn@...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
>
> Manufacturing software
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufactu
>> &k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufactu
>
ring+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softw
>
are&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database
> +marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=OG5F3819UOUOg63i0bu6kA>
>
> Membership database software
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Man
>> &k=Membership+database+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
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> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=N5BGdur84p-jyuOomcQdbQ>
>
> Database mortgage software
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manuf
>> &k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manuf
>
acturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+s
>
oftware&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Data
> base+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=8rvcSQnCqJhTCZu-0Si39A>
>
> Pda database software
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufactur
>> &k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufactur
>
ing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softwa
>
re&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+
> marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=u3KQrTRPAQfsWIT39aHDkg>
>
> Database management software
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Man
>> &k=Database+management+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
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> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=R3CF3ODPY4gwjDZjykQYvw>
>
> Database marketing software
> < http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manu
>> &k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manu
>
facturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+
>
software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Dat
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>
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> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
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> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
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>
>
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>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Manufacturing
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufactu
>
ring+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softw
>
are&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database
> +marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=OG5F3819UOUOg63i0bu6kA> software
> Membership
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=N5BGdur84p-jyuOomcQdbQ>
> database software Database
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manuf
>
acturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+s
>
oftware&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Data
> base+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=8rvcSQnCqJhTCZu-0Si39A>
mortgage
> software
> Pda
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufactur
>
ing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softwa
>
re&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+
> marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=u3KQrTRPAQfsWIT39aHDkg> database
> software Database
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=R3CF3ODPY4gwjDZjykQYvw>
> management software Database
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manu
>
facturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+
>
software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Dat
> abase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=lmBkRUiBtvHI1u5dkymDcw>
> marketing software
>
> _____
>
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>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
)
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Manufacturing software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufactu
>
ring+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softw
>
are&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database
> +marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=OG5F3819UOUOg63i0bu6kA>
> Membership database software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=N5BGdur84p-jyuOomcQdbQ>
> Database mortgage software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manuf
>
acturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+s
>
oftware&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Data
> base+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=8rvcSQnCqJhTCZu-0Si39A>
> Pda database software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufactur
>
ing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softwa
>
re&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+
> marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=u3KQrTRPAQfsWIT39aHDkg>
> Database
> management software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=R3CF3ODPY4gwjDZjykQYvw>
> Database marketing software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manu
>
facturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+
>
software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Dat
> abase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=lmBkRUiBtvHI1u5dkymDcw>
>
> ________________________________
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>
>
> * Visit your group "vantage
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>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
)
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
>
> Manufacturing software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufactu
>
ring+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softw
>
are&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database
> +marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=OG5F3819UOUOg63i0bu6kA>
>
> Membership database software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=N5BGdur84p-jyuOomcQdbQ>
>
> Database mortgage software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manuf
>
acturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+s
>
oftware&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Data
> base+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=8rvcSQnCqJhTCZu-0Si39A>
>
> Pda database software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufactur
>
ing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softwa
>
re&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+
> marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=u3KQrTRPAQfsWIT39aHDkg>
>
> Database management software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=R3CF3ODPY4gwjDZjykQYvw>
>
> Database marketing software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manu
>
facturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+
>
software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Dat
> abase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=lmBkRUiBtvHI1u5dkymDcw>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS
>
>
>
> * Visit your group "vantage
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>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
)
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
>
> SPONSORED LINKS
> Manufacturing software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Manufacturing+software&w1=Manufactu
>
ring+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softw
>
are&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database
> +marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=OG5F3819UOUOg63i0bu6kA>
> Membership database software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Membership+database+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=N5BGdur84p-jyuOomcQdbQ>
> Database mortgage software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+mortgage+software&w1=Manuf
>
acturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+s
>
oftware&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Data
> base+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=8rvcSQnCqJhTCZu-0Si39A>
> Pda database software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Pda+database+software&w1=Manufactur
>
ing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+softwa
>
re&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Database+
> marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=u3KQrTRPAQfsWIT39aHDkg>
> Database
> management software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+management+software&w1=Man
>
ufacturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage
>
+software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Da
> tabase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=R3CF3ODPY4gwjDZjykQYvw>
> Database marketing software
>
<http://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=ms&k=Database+marketing+software&w1=Manu
>
facturing+software&w2=Membership+database+software&w3=Database+mortgage+
>
software&w4=Pda+database+software&w5=Database+management+software&w6=Dat
> abase+marketing+software&c=6&s=188&.sig=lmBkRUiBtvHI1u5dkymDcw>
>
> ________________________________
>
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>
> * Visit your group "vantage
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
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> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
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>
>
>
> * Visit your group "vantage
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>
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> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must

> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access.
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> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
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> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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>
>
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
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(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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