Ver 400 outside operations

Sounds like a fixed time dummy OP betwen the subcontract OPs is your best bet then. It is only a model... Better that it works well enough for scheduling (if not necessarily accurate to your actual value added process steps) than not.
Rob


--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Steve_E <vantage@...> wrote:
From: Steve_E <vantage@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:19 PM

















Just tested it with no luck. System still schedules the finish on first

outside with the same date as the start on the next.



Steve





-----Original Message-----

From: robertb_versa@ yahoo.com [mailto:robertb_versa@ yahoo.com]

Sent: April 27, 2009 2:47 PM

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations



Or try move/queue. Don't know how it behaves with subC ops but worth a test

try.

Rob Brown



--- Original Message ---

From:"Steve_ E" <vantage@rmgfelm. <mailto:vantage% 40rmgfelm. com> com>

Sent:Mon 4/27/09 3:31 pm

To:<vantage@ yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com>

Subj:RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations



Yes we use Subcontract Operations and MRP. Like on all P.O.'s the system

due date is in house date not ship from vendor date. This then makes the

next operation late due to travel time and if it is another outside

operation even later due to the fact it has to be shipped out again for the

next P.O.. The only thing I can think of is that we would have to put extra

operations in for shipping time.



Steve



-----Original Message-----

From: Michelle de la Vega [mailto:mdelavega@ coldjet.

<mailto:mdelavega% 40coldjet. com> com]

Sent: April 27, 2009 1:59 PM

To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com

Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations



Are you using Subcontract Operations for your outside operations? We do not

use MRP, however, I would think this would solve some of your problems.



Michelle de la Vega

Business Applications Manager

Cold Jet, LLC

455 Wards Corner Road

Loveland, Ohio 45140

USA

+1 513-716-6400 (office)

+1 513-382-3281 (mobile)

+1 513-831-1209 (fax)

www.coldjet. com<http://www.coldjet <http://www.coldjet com> com>

[cid:image001. jpg@ <mailto:image001. jpg%4001C9C748. A3B87F80>

01C9C748.A3B87F80]



From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com

[mailto:vantage@ yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com] On

Behalf Of

vantage03

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:15 AM

To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com

Subject: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations



I wanted to ask how people are handling outside operations P.O. dates.

Vantage added receive time for purchase parts to handle purchase due date

that is actually does not include transport time. The problem that I see is

that receive time does not function with outside operation P.O.'s.



How do you handle it if for example you have two outside operations back to

back? MRP plans that the due date on the first P.O. is the date the the part

should be at the second operation. We find on some parts that they have to

be shipped back to plant and ship back out.



Thanks in advance!



Steve



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I wanted to ask how people are handling outside operations P.O. dates. Vantage added receive time for purchase parts to handle purchase due date that is actually does not include transport time. The problem that I see is that receive time does not function with outside operation P.O.'s.

How do you handle it if for example you have two outside operations back to back? MRP plans that the due date on the first P.O. is the date the the part should be at the second operation. We find on some parts that they have to be shipped back to plant and ship back out.

Thanks in advance!

Steve
Are you using Subcontract Operations for your outside operations? We do not use MRP, however, I would think this would solve some of your problems.

Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
455 Wards Corner Road
Loveland, Ohio 45140
USA
+1 513-716-6400 (office)
+1 513-382-3281 (mobile)
+1 513-831-1209 (fax)
www.coldjet.com<http://www.coldjet.com>
[cid:image001.jpg@01C9C748.A3B87F80]

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of vantage03
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations





I wanted to ask how people are handling outside operations P.O. dates. Vantage added receive time for purchase parts to handle purchase due date that is actually does not include transport time. The problem that I see is that receive time does not function with outside operation P.O.'s.

How do you handle it if for example you have two outside operations back to back? MRP plans that the due date on the first P.O. is the date the the part should be at the second operation. We find on some parts that they have to be shipped back to plant and ship back out.

Thanks in advance!

Steve



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes we use Subcontract Operations and MRP. Like on all P.O.'s the system
due date is in house date not ship from vendor date. This then makes the
next operation late due to travel time and if it is another outside
operation even later due to the fact it has to be shipped out again for the
next P.O.. The only thing I can think of is that we would have to put extra
operations in for shipping time.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle de la Vega [mailto:mdelavega@...]
Sent: April 27, 2009 1:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations





Are you using Subcontract Operations for your outside operations? We do not
use MRP, however, I would think this would solve some of your problems.

Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
455 Wards Corner Road
Loveland, Ohio 45140
USA
+1 513-716-6400 (office)
+1 513-382-3281 (mobile)
+1 513-831-1209 (fax)
www.coldjet.com<http://www.coldjet.com>
[cid:image001.jpg@01C9C748.A3B87F80]

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
vantage03
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations

I wanted to ask how people are handling outside operations P.O. dates.
Vantage added receive time for purchase parts to handle purchase due date
that is actually does not include transport time. The problem that I see is
that receive time does not function with outside operation P.O.'s.

How do you handle it if for example you have two outside operations back to
back? MRP plans that the due date on the first P.O. is the date the the part
should be at the second operation. We find on some parts that they have to
be shipped back to plant and ship back out.

Thanks in advance!

Steve

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Or try move/queue. Don't know how it behaves with subC ops but worth a test try.
Rob Brown

--- Original Message ---
From:"Steve_E" <vantage@...>
Sent:Mon 4/27/09 3:31 pm
To:<vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations

Yes we use Subcontract Operations and MRP. Like on all P.O.'s the system
due date is in house date not ship from vendor date. This then makes the
next operation late due to travel time and if it is another outside
operation even later due to the fact it has to be shipped out again for the
next P.O.. The only thing I can think of is that we would have to put extra
operations in for shipping time.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle de la Vega [mailto:mdelavega@...]
Sent: April 27, 2009 1:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations





Are you using Subcontract Operations for your outside operations? We do not
use MRP, however, I would think this would solve some of your problems.

Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
455 Wards Corner Road
Loveland, Ohio 45140
USA
+1 513-716-6400 (office)
+1 513-382-3281 (mobile)
+1 513-831-1209 (fax)
www.coldjet.com<http://www.coldjet.com>
[cid:image001.jpg@01C9C748.A3B87F80]

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
vantage03
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations

I wanted to ask how people are handling outside operations P.O. dates.
Vantage added receive time for purchase parts to handle purchase due date
that is actually does not include transport time. The problem that I see is
that receive time does not function with outside operation P.O.'s.

How do you handle it if for example you have two outside operations back to
back? MRP plans that the due date on the first P.O. is the date the the part
should be at the second operation. We find on some parts that they have to
be shipped back to plant and ship back out.

Thanks in advance!

Steve

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Yes we use Subcontract Operations and MRP. Like on all P.O.'s the system
due date is in house date not ship from vendor date. This then makes the
next operation late due to travel time and if it is another outside
operation even later due to the fact it has to be shipped out again for the
next P.O.. The only thing I can think of is that we would have to put extra
operations in for shipping time.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle de la Vega [mailto:mdelavega@...]
Sent: April 27, 2009 1:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations





Are you using Subcontract Operations for your outside operations? We do not
use MRP, however, I would think this would solve some of your problems.

Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
455 Wards Corner Road
Loveland, Ohio 45140
USA
+1 513-716-6400 (office)
+1 513-382-3281 (mobile)
+1 513-831-1209 (fax)
www.coldjet.com<http://www.coldjet <http://www.coldjet.com> com>
[cid:image001.jpg@ <mailto:image001.jpg%4001C9C748.A3B87F80>
01C9C748.A3B87F80]

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of vantage03
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations

I wanted to ask how people are handling outside operations P.O. dates.
Vantage added receive time for purchase parts to handle purchase due date
that is actually does not include transport time. The problem that I see is
that receive time does not function with outside operation P.O.'s.

How do you handle it if for example you have two outside operations back to
back? MRP plans that the due date on the first P.O. is the date the the part
should be at the second operation. We find on some parts that they have to
be shipped back to plant and ship back out.

Thanks in advance!

Steve

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Just tested it with no luck. System still schedules the finish on first
outside with the same date as the start on the next.

Steve


-----Original Message-----
From: robertb_versa@... [mailto:robertb_versa@...]
Sent: April 27, 2009 2:47 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations





Or try move/queue. Don't know how it behaves with subC ops but worth a test
try.
Rob Brown

--- Original Message ---
From:"Steve_E" <vantage@rmgfelm. <mailto:vantage%40rmgfelm.com> com>
Sent:Mon 4/27/09 3:31 pm
To:<vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com>
Subj:RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations

Yes we use Subcontract Operations and MRP. Like on all P.O.'s the system
due date is in house date not ship from vendor date. This then makes the
next operation late due to travel time and if it is another outside
operation even later due to the fact it has to be shipped out again for the
next P.O.. The only thing I can think of is that we would have to put extra
operations in for shipping time.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: Michelle de la Vega [mailto:mdelavega@coldjet.
<mailto:mdelavega%40coldjet.com> com]
Sent: April 27, 2009 1:59 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations

Are you using Subcontract Operations for your outside operations? We do not
use MRP, however, I would think this would solve some of your problems.

Michelle de la Vega
Business Applications Manager
Cold Jet, LLC
455 Wards Corner Road
Loveland, Ohio 45140
USA
+1 513-716-6400 (office)
+1 513-382-3281 (mobile)
+1 513-831-1209 (fax)
www.coldjet.com<http://www.coldjet <http://www.coldjet.com> com>
[cid:image001.jpg@ <mailto:image001.jpg%4001C9C748.A3B87F80>
01C9C748.A3B87F80]

From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com] On
Behalf Of
vantage03
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:15 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Subject: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations

I wanted to ask how people are handling outside operations P.O. dates.
Vantage added receive time for purchase parts to handle purchase due date
that is actually does not include transport time. The problem that I see is
that receive time does not function with outside operation P.O.'s.

How do you handle it if for example you have two outside operations back to
back? MRP plans that the due date on the first P.O. is the date the the part
should be at the second operation. We find on some parts that they have to
be shipped back to plant and ship back out.

Thanks in advance!

Steve

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Sounds like a fixed time dummy OP betwen the subcontract OPs is your best bet then. It is only a model... Better that it works well enough for scheduling (if not necessarily accurate to your actual value added process steps) than not.
Rob


--- On Mon, 4/27/09, Steve_E <vantage@...> wrote:
From: Steve_E <vantage@...>
Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, April 27, 2009, 4:19 PM

















Just tested it with no luck. System still schedules the finish on first

outside with the same date as the start on the next.



Steve





-----Original Message-----

From: robertb_versa@ yahoo.com [mailto:robertb_versa@ yahoo.com]

Sent: April 27, 2009 2:47 PM

To: vantage@yahoogroups .com

Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations



Or try move/queue. Don't know how it behaves with subC ops but worth a test

try.

Rob Brown



--- Original Message ---

From:"Steve_ E" <vantage@rmgfelm. <mailto:vantage% 40rmgfelm. com> com>

Sent:Mon 4/27/09 3:31 pm

To:<vantage@ yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com>

Subj:RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations



Yes we use Subcontract Operations and MRP. Like on all P.O.'s the system

due date is in house date not ship from vendor date. This then makes the

next operation late due to travel time and if it is another outside

operation even later due to the fact it has to be shipped out again for the

next P.O.. The only thing I can think of is that we would have to put extra

operations in for shipping time.



Steve



-----Original Message-----

From: Michelle de la Vega [mailto:mdelavega@ coldjet.

<mailto:mdelavega% 40coldjet. com> com]

Sent: April 27, 2009 1:59 PM

To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com

Subject: RE: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations



Are you using Subcontract Operations for your outside operations? We do not

use MRP, however, I would think this would solve some of your problems.



Michelle de la Vega

Business Applications Manager

Cold Jet, LLC

455 Wards Corner Road

Loveland, Ohio 45140

USA

+1 513-716-6400 (office)

+1 513-382-3281 (mobile)

+1 513-831-1209 (fax)

www.coldjet. com<http://www.coldjet <http://www.coldjet com> com>

[cid:image001. jpg@ <mailto:image001. jpg%4001C9C748. A3B87F80>

01C9C748.A3B87F80]



From: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com

[mailto:vantage@ yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com] On

Behalf Of

vantage03

Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 8:15 AM

To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage% 40yahoogroups. com> .com

Subject: [Vantage] ver 400 outside operations



I wanted to ask how people are handling outside operations P.O. dates.

Vantage added receive time for purchase parts to handle purchase due date

that is actually does not include transport time. The problem that I see is

that receive time does not function with outside operation P.O.'s.



How do you handle it if for example you have two outside operations back to

back? MRP plans that the due date on the first P.O. is the date the the part

should be at the second operation. We find on some parts that they have to

be shipped back to plant and ship back out.



Thanks in advance!



Steve



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]