Citrix and Windows 2003 server

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Bob

You can load balance in TS 2000 very effectively. The " I'll believe it
when I see it" is Network printing. This is a giant hassle but can be done
in TS 2000 using VBS scripts to assign a printer in the TS account profile.
Citrix makes my life easy. Zero printing problems since I switched.

Cliff

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Lane [mailto:rickl@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 10:58 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Citrix and Windows 2003 server


Hi Bob,

We were just discussing this very topic in our office...a couple of items:

1) MS is touting that their bandwidth restrictions are improved, but we
have yet to see benchmark tests, etc. So take that for what it is worth.
2) Yes, 2003 TS had load balancing.
3) Basically the "functionality" of 2003 TS vs. Citrix is the same now.
Citrix offers more "management" type tools than TS still however.

We are very much challenging the need for Citrix in anything other than very
large installations that would require some of the additional management
tools it offers. Otherwise, we are having a hard time justifying the price
of Citrix now. Obviously, this is still preliminary as the paint on the
boxes of 2003 has yet to dry.

Hope that helps,

Rick Lane
Intelligent Systems Integration, Inc.
600 Weber Drive
Wadsworth, OH 44281
PH: 330-335-5291
FX: 330-335-7275
www.intelligentsi.com

"Helping Business Make Intelligent Use of Technology"


-----Original Message-----
From: gauthier_rh [mailto:rgauthier@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Citrix and Windows 2003 server


We have been running Vantage over our WAN using Metaframe XP on a
Windows 2K server for about a year now. It has been working fine.

My supervisor has asked me to look into Windows 2003 Server and said
that he heard that Windows terminal services on the 2003 server was
supposed to be greatly enhanced. He said that he heard that we could
do away with the Citrix piece altogether and just run TS and
therefore save some money. I myself haven't heard this but I'm having
trouble finding documentation to back up my side of the story.

In my opinion Citrix better utilizes band width and enhances printing
capabilities. Not to mention load balancing.

Does anyone out there have any feedback on this issue? What would I
be losing by running stricktly on Windows 2003 TS and doing away with
Metaframe. As the person who will be supporting Vantage and the rest
of the network, I sure would hate to be forced into doing something
that would make my job a nightmare.

Any feedback would greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob



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We have been running Vantage over our WAN using Metaframe XP on a
Windows 2K server for about a year now. It has been working fine.

My supervisor has asked me to look into Windows 2003 Server and said
that he heard that Windows terminal services on the 2003 server was
supposed to be greatly enhanced. He said that he heard that we could
do away with the Citrix piece altogether and just run TS and
therefore save some money. I myself haven't heard this but I'm having
trouble finding documentation to back up my side of the story.

In my opinion Citrix better utilizes band width and enhances printing
capabilities. Not to mention load balancing.

Does anyone out there have any feedback on this issue? What would I
be losing by running stricktly on Windows 2003 TS and doing away with
Metaframe. As the person who will be supporting Vantage and the rest
of the network, I sure would hate to be forced into doing something
that would make my job a nightmare.

Any feedback would greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob
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Hi Bob,

We were just discussing this very topic in our office...a couple of items:

1) MS is touting that their bandwidth restrictions are improved, but we have yet to see benchmark tests, etc. So take that for what it is worth.
2) Yes, 2003 TS had load balancing.
3) Basically the "functionality" of 2003 TS vs. Citrix is the same now. Citrix offers more "management" type tools than TS still however.

We are very much challenging the need for Citrix in anything other than very large installations that would require some of the additional management tools it offers. Otherwise, we are having a hard time justifying the price of Citrix now. Obviously, this is still preliminary as the paint on the boxes of 2003 has yet to dry.

Hope that helps,

Rick Lane
Intelligent Systems Integration, Inc.
600 Weber Drive
Wadsworth, OH 44281
PH: 330-335-5291
FX: 330-335-7275
www.intelligentsi.com

"Helping Business Make Intelligent Use of Technology"


-----Original Message-----
From: gauthier_rh [mailto:rgauthier@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 1:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Citrix and Windows 2003 server


We have been running Vantage over our WAN using Metaframe XP on a
Windows 2K server for about a year now. It has been working fine.

My supervisor has asked me to look into Windows 2003 Server and said
that he heard that Windows terminal services on the 2003 server was
supposed to be greatly enhanced. He said that he heard that we could
do away with the Citrix piece altogether and just run TS and
therefore save some money. I myself haven't heard this but I'm having
trouble finding documentation to back up my side of the story.

In my opinion Citrix better utilizes band width and enhances printing
capabilities. Not to mention load balancing.

Does anyone out there have any feedback on this issue? What would I
be losing by running stricktly on Windows 2003 TS and doing away with
Metaframe. As the person who will be supporting Vantage and the rest
of the network, I sure would hate to be forced into doing something
that would make my job a nightmare.

Any feedback would greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob



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Terminal services (TS) on Windows 2003 server may be enhanced, but they're
also going to cost you more money. On W2K server, any client access license
(CAL) could be a standard user or a terminal server user. On Windows 2003
server, you have to pay for additional TS licenses (separate from the user
licenses). Just standard M$ practice. Get you hooked, then jack the prices
up.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: gauthier_rh [mailto:rgauthier@...]
Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 12:44 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Citrix and Windows 2003 server


We have been running Vantage over our WAN using Metaframe XP on a
Windows 2K server for about a year now. It has been working fine.

My supervisor has asked me to look into Windows 2003 Server and said
that he heard that Windows terminal services on the 2003 server was
supposed to be greatly enhanced. He said that he heard that we could
do away with the Citrix piece altogether and just run TS and
therefore save some money. I myself haven't heard this but I'm having
trouble finding documentation to back up my side of the story.

In my opinion Citrix better utilizes band width and enhances printing
capabilities. Not to mention load balancing.

Does anyone out there have any feedback on this issue? What would I
be losing by running stricktly on Windows 2003 TS and doing away with
Metaframe. As the person who will be supporting Vantage and the rest
of the network, I sure would hate to be forced into doing something
that would make my job a nightmare.

Any feedback would greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Bob



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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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