OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?

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That's great. Our (under 20) Vantage/Citrix users access the terminal
session via T1(256). How much Bandwidth are your clients utilizing and how
many clients? If you don't mind me asking.

Kevin Larkin
Ferguson Perforating



-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?


We run Vantage 6.0 on Windows 2003 without Citrix and couldn't be more
pleased. Its much faster and more stable then Windows 2000 Terminal
Services.

Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin P. Larkin [mailto:klarkin@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:51 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?



Has anyone tested Vantage via Terminal Services 2003 without citrix? We
currently use NT4 with Citrix Metaframe (under 20 Client) but will be
upgrading to 2003 and possibly Citrix XPS. Just wondering, with all the
improvements in 2003 Terminal Services do you still need Citrix? What are
the benefits? Any opinions are welcome and appreciated..

Kevin Larkin
Ferguson Perforating


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Has anyone tested Vantage via Terminal Services 2003 without citrix? We
currently use NT4 with Citrix Metaframe (under 20 Client) but will be
upgrading to 2003 and possibly Citrix XPS. Just wondering, with all the
improvements in 2003 Terminal Services do you still need Citrix? What are
the benefits? Any opinions are welcome and appreciated..

Kevin Larkin
Ferguson Perforating
3
We run Vantage 6.0 on Windows 2003 without Citrix and couldn't be more pleased. Its much faster and more stable then Windows 2000 Terminal Services.

Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin P. Larkin [mailto:klarkin@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:51 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?



Has anyone tested Vantage via Terminal Services 2003 without citrix? We
currently use NT4 with Citrix Metaframe (under 20 Client) but will be
upgrading to 2003 and possibly Citrix XPS. Just wondering, with all the
improvements in 2003 Terminal Services do you still need Citrix? What are
the benefits? Any opinions are welcome and appreciated..

Kevin Larkin
Ferguson Perforating


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
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4
Do you have to pay for TS in Windows 2003 server? Just wondering. I know
the TS licenses were all free in W2K server. I heard a rumor they were
charging in the latest version.

Chris Gitzlaff
IS Manager
Major Industries


-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?


We run Vantage 6.0 on Windows 2003 without Citrix and couldn't be more
pleased. Its much faster and more stable then Windows 2000 Terminal
Services.

Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin P. Larkin [mailto:klarkin@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:51 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?



Has anyone tested Vantage via Terminal Services 2003 without citrix? We
currently use NT4 with Citrix Metaframe (under 20 Client) but will be
upgrading to 2003 and possibly Citrix XPS. Just wondering, with all the
improvements in 2003 Terminal Services do you still need Citrix? What are
the benefits? Any opinions are welcome and appreciated..

Kevin Larkin
Ferguson Perforating


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
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In Windows 2000 Terminal Services you had to buy a CAL ($75) for any device that connected to Terminal Server via another OS besides Windows 2000 Professional. Windows 2003 has the same rule but now its WindowsXP that can connect without a CAL. Windows 2000 Professional now must have a CAL to connect to Windows 2003 Terminal Services.

Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation



-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?


Do you have to pay for TS in Windows 2003 server? Just wondering. I know
the TS licenses were all free in W2K server. I heard a rumor they were
charging in the latest version.

Chris Gitzlaff
IS Manager
Major Industries


-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?


We run Vantage 6.0 on Windows 2003 without Citrix and couldn't be more
pleased. Its much faster and more stable then Windows 2000 Terminal
Services.

Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin P. Larkin [mailto:klarkin@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:51 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?



Has anyone tested Vantage via Terminal Services 2003 without citrix? We
currently use NT4 with Citrix Metaframe (under 20 Client) but will be
upgrading to 2003 and possibly Citrix XPS. Just wondering, with all the
improvements in 2003 Terminal Services do you still need Citrix? What are
the benefits? Any opinions are welcome and appreciated..

Kevin Larkin
Ferguson Perforating


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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6
Are you sure about the free CAL for Windows XP? This is from MS's Q&A
on TS CALS:

Microsoft is committed to accommodating existing customers who would
like to take advantage of Windows Server 2003 features and realizes that
the removal of desktop operating system equivalency will affect those
customers.
Every Windows XP Professional desktop license owned as of April 24, 2003
(the public launch of Windows Server 2003), is eligible for a
complimentary Windows Server 2003 TS CAL. One of the following scenarios
will apply:
* If customers have either platform or operating
system component Enterprise Agreements (EAs), Upgrade Advantage (UA), or
Software Assurance (SA) coverage for their Windows desktop computers,
then they can receive a Windows Server 2003 TS CAL, plus SA coverage on
that TS CAL for each covered desktop (owned as of April 24, 2003).
* If customers own Windows XP Professional
licenses, without upgrade rights-in other words, no EA, UA, or SA-then
they can receive a Windows Server 2003 TS CAL for each licensed desktop
owned as of April 24, 2003, but will not receive upgrade rights

They way this sounds is that IF you had Windows XP before April 24,
2003, you would get a "free" CAL, but after that date you must purchase
one.

I still am not totally sure.

Britt Moelling
M&M Manufacturing


-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:16 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?

In Windows 2000 Terminal Services you had to buy a CAL ($75) for any
device that connected to Terminal Server via another OS besides Windows
2000 Professional. Windows 2003 has the same rule but now its WindowsXP
that can connect without a CAL. Windows 2000 Professional now must have
a CAL to connect to Windows 2003 Terminal Services.

Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation



-----Original Message-----
From: Gitzlaff, Christopher [mailto:cgitzlaff@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 10:10 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?


Do you have to pay for TS in Windows 2003 server? Just wondering. I
know
the TS licenses were all free in W2K server. I heard a rumor they were
charging in the latest version.

Chris Gitzlaff
IS Manager
Major Industries


-----Original Message-----
From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:06 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?


We run Vantage 6.0 on Windows 2003 without Citrix and couldn't be more
pleased. Its much faster and more stable then Windows 2000 Terminal
Services.

Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin P. Larkin [mailto:klarkin@...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 9:51 AM
To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [Vantage] OT: Terminal Services 2003 without Citrix?



Has anyone tested Vantage via Terminal Services 2003 without citrix?
We
currently use NT4 with Citrix Metaframe (under 20 Client) but will be
upgrading to 2003 and possibly Citrix XPS. Just wondering, with all the
improvements in 2003 Terminal Services do you still need Citrix? What
are
the benefits? Any opinions are welcome and appreciated..

Kevin Larkin
Ferguson Perforating


Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
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Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
and Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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