Disaster recovery

Thats the beauty about doubletake
It just takes over
Makes the backup server the primary and there is nothing to do on the
client side

Check it out
http://www.sunbelt-software.com/product.cfm?id=111


James Piper
Meco Inc
Paris, IL 61944

--- In vantage@y..., "Malcolm Spann" <Malcolm@M...> wrote:
> One last thing to think about:
>
> A rapid rollover to a backup server is great, from the server
standpoint.
> However, from the client standpoint, *every* client in your
building will
> still be pointed to the old server. Unless you've already
configured every
> workstation to also point to the training (or backup) server,
you'll have to
> re-install the client on the workstations.
>
> A message from the Department of Redundency Department
>
> Malcolm Spann
> MIS
> Malmberg Engineering
> Malcolm@M...
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@k...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:48 AM
> > To: 'vantage@y...'
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Disaster recovery
> >
> >
> > We have several servers. We have one very high end dual P4
> > 2.0Ghz PC that we use for our Vantage Training Server and our
Development
> > Server. If something would happen to our Vantage server, the
test
> server could be
> > switched over to the live database very quickly. Since a total
loss
> > scenario is very rare, we have done a few things to make the
> > loss of our Vantage server more survivable. We have a
maintenance build
> > on the same property but several hundred ft away that we ran
fiber to.
> > We have Vantage backups being sent there several times a day. We
also
> backup
> > Vantage to another server located in the IT Department. If
something
> > happens to the Vantage server, then we can simply copy the backup
files
> over
> > and we are up and running. We also installed External Raid
Drives. In
> > the case of a server failure we could move the external drivers
to another
> > server and have that server restore the RAID configuration from
the
> > drives(Given that the raid cards are the same). In our absolute
worst
> case
> > scenario, (Building being swept away by a tornado or burned to
the ground)
> we
> > could get Vantage and Exchange back up in a few hours. Our only
week link
> is
> > the time it would take to get a DLT IV drive. With the power of
today's
> > PC's we could always run down to the local Nerd Shack and pick up
the
> parts
> > to build a Server to get us by until a new one can be delivered.
We got
> hit by a
> > Tornado six months ago that took out 3 of our buildings. It
really made
> me
> > look hard at how we would fair with a total loss. Now that I
have wasted
> > more time I think I will go to lunch.
> > Thanks
> > Jeremy Leonard
> > IT Manager
> > K-T Corporation
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@m...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:23 AM
> > To: vantage@y...
> > Subject: [Vantage] Disaster recovery
> >
> >
> > Boy you guys are hitting the nail on the head with topics lately!
> > I too have been looking at disaster recovery BIG TIME
> > I have been the SYS ADMIN Here for 3 months
> > 2 of those months I have been dealing with a bad HP Server
> > Purchased it from Micron a year ago
> > The configuration is as follows
> > 1 9gg scsi for NT4 OS
> > 2 mirrored 9gbs for Vantage
> > 2 18 gb Mirrored for Norton and other business files
> > Well to make a long story short
> > One of the 9gb mirrors keeps failing
> > HP has replaced EVERYTHING
> > ALL THE Hard drives, the backplane, the motherboard
> > Everything but the case
> > Well HP has a replacement policy with Micron of 29 days
> > Meaning it will take 29 days to get us a replacement
> > My General Manager hits the roof! Micron says okay lets get you
one
> > of our servers next week
> > Well the day the new server is to be here, they call and decide
they
> > want to "pick up" our server to diagnose it and see if they can
fix it
> > Long story short again, conference calls etc etc
> > Shipped it back
> > Fed X looses it and it takes almost a week and a half to get it
there
> > NOW Micron has it as of yesterday and its been almost 29 days
that we
> > could have waited
> > The only good thing of this whole situation is that we are not
live
> > If we are running 24/7 production data collection pcs off this
what
> > am I to do?
> >
> > That is why I have been looking at Double Take or other solutions
> >
> > At this point I have a BIG PROPOSAL In to management waiting to
see
> > what they say
> > We ALSO do not have any off site storage of backup tapes or cd's
> > Which I have recommended as part of my disaster recovery
> >
> > I looked at Double take for the simple fact that I want to
minimize
> > the downtime PLUS if something happens in the middle of the night,
> > Double take does everything automatically
> > No user intervention
> > Its pricy but looks like a pretty good solution
> >
> > The thing you have to consider when you think of disaster
recovery is
> > NOT what it is going to cost you now
> > What is it going to cost you if you do not have any DR measures in
> > place if a catastrophic event happens?
> >
> > My accounting manager mentioned, why not just put a safe in the
> > General Managers house instead of a bank lock box?
> > Well what if someone comes in and steals our server and kills the
> > general manager?
> > In DR you have to consider the worst case senerio!
> >
> > Hope that helps
> >
> > James Piper
> > Meco, Inc
> > Paris, IL 61944
> >
> >
Boy you guys are hitting the nail on the head with topics lately!
I too have been looking at disaster recovery BIG TIME
I have been the SYS ADMIN Here for 3 months
2 of those months I have been dealing with a bad HP Server
Purchased it from Micron a year ago
The configuration is as follows
1 9gg scsi for NT4 OS
2 mirrored 9gbs for Vantage
2 18 gb Mirrored for Norton and other business files
Well to make a long story short
One of the 9gb mirrors keeps failing
HP has replaced EVERYTHING
ALL THE Hard drives, the backplane, the motherboard
Everything but the case
Well HP has a replacement policy with Micron of 29 days
Meaning it will take 29 days to get us a replacement
My General Manager hits the roof! Micron says okay lets get you one
of our servers next week
Well the day the new server is to be here, they call and decide they
want to "pick up" our server to diagnose it and see if they can fix it
Long story short again, conference calls etc etc
Shipped it back
Fed X looses it and it takes almost a week and a half to get it there
NOW Micron has it as of yesterday and its been almost 29 days that we
could have waited
The only good thing of this whole situation is that we are not live
If we are running 24/7 production data collection pcs off this what
am I to do?

That is why I have been looking at Double Take or other solutions

At this point I have a BIG PROPOSAL In to management waiting to see
what they say
We ALSO do not have any off site storage of backup tapes or cd's
Which I have recommended as part of my disaster recovery

I looked at Double take for the simple fact that I want to minimize
the downtime PLUS if something happens in the middle of the night,
Double take does everything automatically
No user intervention
Its pricy but looks like a pretty good solution

The thing you have to consider when you think of disaster recovery is
NOT what it is going to cost you now
What is it going to cost you if you do not have any DR measures in
place if a catastrophic event happens?

My accounting manager mentioned, why not just put a safe in the
General Managers house instead of a bank lock box?
Well what if someone comes in and steals our server and kills the
general manager?
In DR you have to consider the worst case senerio!

Hope that helps

James Piper
Meco, Inc
Paris, IL 61944
We have several servers. We have one very high end dual P4 2.0Ghz PC that
we use for our Vantage Training Server and our Development Server. If
something would happen to our Vantage server, the test server could be
switched over to the live database very quickly. Since a total loss
scenario is very rare, we have done a few things to make the loss of our
Vantage server more survivable. We have a maintenance build on the same
property but several hundred ft away that we ran fiber to. We have Vantage
backups being sent there several times a day. We also backup Vantage to
another server located in the IT Department. If something happens to the
Vantage server, then we can simply copy the backup files over and we are up
and running. We also installed External Raid Drives. In the case of a
server failure we could move the external drivers to another server and have
that server restore the RAID configuration from the drives(Given that the
raid cards are the same). In our absolute worst case scenario, (Building
being swept away by a tornado or burned to the ground) we could get Vantage
and Exchange back up in a few hours. Our only week link is the time it
would take to get a DLT IV drive. With the power of today's PC's we could
always run down to the local Nerd Shack and pick up the parts to build a
Server to get us by until a new one can be delivered. We got hit by a
Tornado six months ago that took out 3 of our buildings. It really made me
look hard at how we would fair with a total loss. Now that I have wasted
more time I think I will go to lunch.
Thanks
Jeremy Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation



-----Original Message-----
From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:23 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Disaster recovery


Boy you guys are hitting the nail on the head with topics lately!
I too have been looking at disaster recovery BIG TIME
I have been the SYS ADMIN Here for 3 months
2 of those months I have been dealing with a bad HP Server
Purchased it from Micron a year ago
The configuration is as follows
1 9gg scsi for NT4 OS
2 mirrored 9gbs for Vantage
2 18 gb Mirrored for Norton and other business files
Well to make a long story short
One of the 9gb mirrors keeps failing
HP has replaced EVERYTHING
ALL THE Hard drives, the backplane, the motherboard
Everything but the case
Well HP has a replacement policy with Micron of 29 days
Meaning it will take 29 days to get us a replacement
My General Manager hits the roof! Micron says okay lets get you one
of our servers next week
Well the day the new server is to be here, they call and decide they
want to "pick up" our server to diagnose it and see if they can fix it
Long story short again, conference calls etc etc
Shipped it back
Fed X looses it and it takes almost a week and a half to get it there
NOW Micron has it as of yesterday and its been almost 29 days that we
could have waited
The only good thing of this whole situation is that we are not live
If we are running 24/7 production data collection pcs off this what
am I to do?

That is why I have been looking at Double Take or other solutions

At this point I have a BIG PROPOSAL In to management waiting to see
what they say
We ALSO do not have any off site storage of backup tapes or cd's
Which I have recommended as part of my disaster recovery

I looked at Double take for the simple fact that I want to minimize
the downtime PLUS if something happens in the middle of the night,
Double take does everything automatically
No user intervention
Its pricy but looks like a pretty good solution

The thing you have to consider when you think of disaster recovery is
NOT what it is going to cost you now
What is it going to cost you if you do not have any DR measures in
place if a catastrophic event happens?

My accounting manager mentioned, why not just put a safe in the
General Managers house instead of a bank lock box?
Well what if someone comes in and steals our server and kills the
general manager?
In DR you have to consider the worst case senerio!

Hope that helps

James Piper
Meco, Inc
Paris, IL 61944



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One last thing to think about:

A rapid rollover to a backup server is great, from the server standpoint.
However, from the client standpoint, *every* client in your building will
still be pointed to the old server. Unless you've already configured every
workstation to also point to the training (or backup) server, you'll have to
re-install the client on the workstations.

A message from the Department of Redundency Department

Malcolm Spann
MIS
Malmberg Engineering
Malcolm@...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:48 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Disaster recovery
>
>
> We have several servers. We have one very high end dual P4
> 2.0Ghz PC that we use for our Vantage Training Server and our Development
> Server. If something would happen to our Vantage server, the test
server could be
> switched over to the live database very quickly. Since a total loss
> scenario is very rare, we have done a few things to make the
> loss of our Vantage server more survivable. We have a maintenance build
> on the same property but several hundred ft away that we ran fiber to.
> We have Vantage backups being sent there several times a day. We also
backup
> Vantage to another server located in the IT Department. If something
> happens to the Vantage server, then we can simply copy the backup files
over
> and we are up and running. We also installed External Raid Drives. In
> the case of a server failure we could move the external drivers to another
> server and have that server restore the RAID configuration from the
> drives(Given that the raid cards are the same). In our absolute worst
case
> scenario, (Building being swept away by a tornado or burned to the ground)
we
> could get Vantage and Exchange back up in a few hours. Our only week link
is
> the time it would take to get a DLT IV drive. With the power of today's
> PC's we could always run down to the local Nerd Shack and pick up the
parts
> to build a Server to get us by until a new one can be delivered. We got
hit by a
> Tornado six months ago that took out 3 of our buildings. It really made
me
> look hard at how we would fair with a total loss. Now that I have wasted
> more time I think I will go to lunch.
> Thanks
> Jeremy Leonard
> IT Manager
> K-T Corporation
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:23 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Disaster recovery
>
>
> Boy you guys are hitting the nail on the head with topics lately!
> I too have been looking at disaster recovery BIG TIME
> I have been the SYS ADMIN Here for 3 months
> 2 of those months I have been dealing with a bad HP Server
> Purchased it from Micron a year ago
> The configuration is as follows
> 1 9gg scsi for NT4 OS
> 2 mirrored 9gbs for Vantage
> 2 18 gb Mirrored for Norton and other business files
> Well to make a long story short
> One of the 9gb mirrors keeps failing
> HP has replaced EVERYTHING
> ALL THE Hard drives, the backplane, the motherboard
> Everything but the case
> Well HP has a replacement policy with Micron of 29 days
> Meaning it will take 29 days to get us a replacement
> My General Manager hits the roof! Micron says okay lets get you one
> of our servers next week
> Well the day the new server is to be here, they call and decide they
> want to "pick up" our server to diagnose it and see if they can fix it
> Long story short again, conference calls etc etc
> Shipped it back
> Fed X looses it and it takes almost a week and a half to get it there
> NOW Micron has it as of yesterday and its been almost 29 days that we
> could have waited
> The only good thing of this whole situation is that we are not live
> If we are running 24/7 production data collection pcs off this what
> am I to do?
>
> That is why I have been looking at Double Take or other solutions
>
> At this point I have a BIG PROPOSAL In to management waiting to see
> what they say
> We ALSO do not have any off site storage of backup tapes or cd's
> Which I have recommended as part of my disaster recovery
>
> I looked at Double take for the simple fact that I want to minimize
> the downtime PLUS if something happens in the middle of the night,
> Double take does everything automatically
> No user intervention
> Its pricy but looks like a pretty good solution
>
> The thing you have to consider when you think of disaster recovery is
> NOT what it is going to cost you now
> What is it going to cost you if you do not have any DR measures in
> place if a catastrophic event happens?
>
> My accounting manager mentioned, why not just put a safe in the
> General Managers house instead of a bank lock box?
> Well what if someone comes in and steals our server and kills the
> general manager?
> In DR you have to consider the worst case senerio!
>
> Hope that helps
>
> James Piper
> Meco, Inc
> Paris, IL 61944
>
>
We point all of our VTG files to an IP Address. I would simply change the
IP Address of our test server to what the live server was. You could also
do this with DNS if you use the UNC name and your now dead server isn't a
PDC or BDC. In that case your going to have a really bad day anyway you go
about it.
Thanks
Jermey Leonard
IT Manager
K-T Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm Spann [mailto:Malcolm@...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 1:29 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Disaster recovery


One last thing to think about:

A rapid rollover to a backup server is great, from the server standpoint.
However, from the client standpoint, *every* client in your building will
still be pointed to the old server. Unless you've already configured every
workstation to also point to the training (or backup) server, you'll have to
re-install the client on the workstations.

A message from the Department of Redundency Department

Malcolm Spann
MIS
Malmberg Engineering
Malcolm@...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard, Jeremy [mailto:jleonard@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 8:48 AM
> To: 'vantage@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Disaster recovery
>
>
> We have several servers. We have one very high end dual P4
> 2.0Ghz PC that we use for our Vantage Training Server and our Development
> Server. If something would happen to our Vantage server, the test
server could be
> switched over to the live database very quickly. Since a total loss
> scenario is very rare, we have done a few things to make the
> loss of our Vantage server more survivable. We have a maintenance build
> on the same property but several hundred ft away that we ran fiber to.
> We have Vantage backups being sent there several times a day. We also
backup
> Vantage to another server located in the IT Department. If something
> happens to the Vantage server, then we can simply copy the backup files
over
> and we are up and running. We also installed External Raid Drives. In
> the case of a server failure we could move the external drivers to another
> server and have that server restore the RAID configuration from the
> drives(Given that the raid cards are the same). In our absolute worst
case
> scenario, (Building being swept away by a tornado or burned to the ground)
we
> could get Vantage and Exchange back up in a few hours. Our only week link
is
> the time it would take to get a DLT IV drive. With the power of today's
> PC's we could always run down to the local Nerd Shack and pick up the
parts
> to build a Server to get us by until a new one can be delivered. We got
hit by a
> Tornado six months ago that took out 3 of our buildings. It really made
me
> look hard at how we would fair with a total loss. Now that I have wasted
> more time I think I will go to lunch.
> Thanks
> Jeremy Leonard
> IT Manager
> K-T Corporation
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: meco_inc_paris [mailto:admin@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2002 10:23 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Disaster recovery
>
>
> Boy you guys are hitting the nail on the head with topics lately!
> I too have been looking at disaster recovery BIG TIME
> I have been the SYS ADMIN Here for 3 months
> 2 of those months I have been dealing with a bad HP Server
> Purchased it from Micron a year ago
> The configuration is as follows
> 1 9gg scsi for NT4 OS
> 2 mirrored 9gbs for Vantage
> 2 18 gb Mirrored for Norton and other business files
> Well to make a long story short
> One of the 9gb mirrors keeps failing
> HP has replaced EVERYTHING
> ALL THE Hard drives, the backplane, the motherboard
> Everything but the case
> Well HP has a replacement policy with Micron of 29 days
> Meaning it will take 29 days to get us a replacement
> My General Manager hits the roof! Micron says okay lets get you one
> of our servers next week
> Well the day the new server is to be here, they call and decide they
> want to "pick up" our server to diagnose it and see if they can fix it
> Long story short again, conference calls etc etc
> Shipped it back
> Fed X looses it and it takes almost a week and a half to get it there
> NOW Micron has it as of yesterday and its been almost 29 days that we
> could have waited
> The only good thing of this whole situation is that we are not live
> If we are running 24/7 production data collection pcs off this what
> am I to do?
>
> That is why I have been looking at Double Take or other solutions
>
> At this point I have a BIG PROPOSAL In to management waiting to see
> what they say
> We ALSO do not have any off site storage of backup tapes or cd's
> Which I have recommended as part of my disaster recovery
>
> I looked at Double take for the simple fact that I want to minimize
> the downtime PLUS if something happens in the middle of the night,
> Double take does everything automatically
> No user intervention
> Its pricy but looks like a pretty good solution
>
> The thing you have to consider when you think of disaster recovery is
> NOT what it is going to cost you now
> What is it going to cost you if you do not have any DR measures in
> place if a catastrophic event happens?
>
> My accounting manager mentioned, why not just put a safe in the
> General Managers house instead of a bank lock box?
> Well what if someone comes in and steals our server and kills the
> general manager?
> In DR you have to consider the worst case senerio!
>
> Hope that helps
>
> James Piper
> Meco, Inc
> Paris, IL 61944
>
>



Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
(3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/links

Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/