Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server

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Speed is not the issue with RAID 5 vs. RAID 10.
Having experienced a 2 disk failure at the same time (raid 10 gives you
a good shot at surviving that type of failure), that is one very good
reason I will never allow RAID 5 for Vantage again. Besides the fact
that RAID 5 is not a supported configuration for a progress database.
Just my $.02
Aaron Hoyt
Vantage Plastics

Joe Luster wrote:
>
> We run Vantage in a VM just fine. However, we are SQL and the SQL
> server is not in a VM.
>
> The more disks you have in your RAID configuration, the faster the
> speed. We run our SQL DBs on a SAN which is RAID 6 across 14 drives.
> That blew away our RAID 10 configuration with only 4 drives.
> Sometimes, a RAID 10 configuration can be slower than a RAID 5
> configuration depending on the amount of drives used. Very rarely though.
>
> Joe Luster
> Network Administrator
> Cold Jet, LLC
> 455 Wards Corner Road
> Loveland, Ohio 45140
> 513-716-6308
> 513-831-1209 (fax)
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> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On
> Behalf Of Charles Carden
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:55 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server
>
> Charlie,
>
> Your instructor is absolutely correct in the need to have your server
> configured with Raid 1 and Raid 10. The amount of gain that you will
> see will be dependent upon the amount of memory you have in your
> server. Also, never run Vantage on a VM.
>
> If you can install a 64 bit operating system with at least 8 to 10 GB
> of memory (dependent upon the number of users) you will also see a
> great improvement in background processes. We saw as much as a 400%
> improvement in some processes by going 64 bit. You need to assign as
> much memory as possible to your database (dependent upon DB size).
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>]
> On Behalf Of Charlie Wilson
> Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:54 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server
>
> All,
>
> I recently went to the admin class for training and pretty much
> learned that
> the way our server's hard drives are configured is no good. According
> to the
> instructor he recommended that the OS / APP should sit on a Raid 1
> drive and
> the DB should sit on a raid 10 (1+0) drive. Currently everything sits on a
> single raid 5 drive that is also shared by several other servers (VM). I
> was wondering if any of you all had experimented with different RAID
> configurations and seen a large gain in having the raid configurations set
> as stated by the instructor. I would like to recommend to my company
> that we
> reconfigure this server to the configurations as recommended by the
> instructor but before I do so I wanted to see if it was going to be worth
> the money and time we will have to invest to make these changes.
>
> I plan to set aside a raid 1 and raid 10 that will be for our server and
> that will not be shared by any other servers. In order to do this I
> will end
> up having to buy more SAS drives and basically pull everything off the
> server and rebuild it.
>
> ~Charlie
>
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All,



I recently went to the admin class for training and pretty much learned that
the way our server's hard drives are configured is no good. According to the
instructor he recommended that the OS / APP should sit on a Raid 1 drive and
the DB should sit on a raid 10 (1+0) drive. Currently everything sits on a
single raid 5 drive that is also shared by several other servers (VM). I
was wondering if any of you all had experimented with different RAID
configurations and seen a large gain in having the raid configurations set
as stated by the instructor. I would like to recommend to my company that we
reconfigure this server to the configurations as recommended by the
instructor but before I do so I wanted to see if it was going to be worth
the money and time we will have to invest to make these changes.



I plan to set aside a raid 1 and raid 10 that will be for our server and
that will not be shared by any other servers. In order to do this I will end
up having to buy more SAS drives and basically pull everything off the
server and rebuild it.



~Charlie









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Hello Charlie



Back in a previous life I had Vantage 5.0 on a raid 5 with 20 users.
When we switch to raid 10 we saw at least a 3 fold gain in speed for
Vantage.



Mark D

________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charlie Wilson
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 7:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server



All,

I recently went to the admin class for training and pretty much learned
that
the way our server's hard drives are configured is no good. According to
the
instructor he recommended that the OS / APP should sit on a Raid 1 drive
and
the DB should sit on a raid 10 (1+0) drive. Currently everything sits on
a
single raid 5 drive that is also shared by several other servers (VM). I
was wondering if any of you all had experimented with different RAID
configurations and seen a large gain in having the raid configurations
set
as stated by the instructor. I would like to recommend to my company
that we
reconfigure this server to the configurations as recommended by the
instructor but before I do so I wanted to see if it was going to be
worth
the money and time we will have to invest to make these changes.

I plan to set aside a raid 1 and raid 10 that will be for our server and
that will not be shared by any other servers. In order to do this I will
end
up having to buy more SAS drives and basically pull everything off the
server and rebuild it.

~Charlie

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Charlie, I know it seems a pain, but you will see great improvements in the RAID 10 setup.




----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Wilson <foamdesigncsw@...>
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:53:52 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server


All,

I recently went to the admin class for training and pretty much learned that
the way our server's hard drives are configured is no good. According to the
instructor he recommended that the OS / APP should sit on a Raid 1 drive and
the DB should sit on a raid 10 (1+0) drive. Currently everything sits on a
single raid 5 drive that is also shared by several other servers (VM). I
was wondering if any of you all had experimented with different RAID
configurations and seen a large gain in having the raid configurations set
as stated by the instructor. I would like to recommend to my company that we
reconfigure this server to the configurations as recommended by the
instructor but before I do so I wanted to see if it was going to be worth
the money and time we will have to invest to make these changes.

I plan to set aside a raid 1 and raid 10 that will be for our server and
that will not be shared by any other servers. In order to do this I will end
up having to buy more SAS drives and basically pull everything off the
server and rebuild it.

~Charlie

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Charlie,

Your instructor is absolutely correct in the need to have your server configured with Raid 1 and Raid 10. The amount of gain that you will see will be dependent upon the amount of memory you have in your server. Also, never run Vantage on a VM.

If you can install a 64 bit operating system with at least 8 to 10 GB of memory (dependent upon the number of users) you will also see a great improvement in background processes. We saw as much as a 400% improvement in some processes by going 64 bit. You need to assign as much memory as possible to your database (dependent upon DB size).

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Wilson
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server


All,

I recently went to the admin class for training and pretty much learned that
the way our server's hard drives are configured is no good. According to the
instructor he recommended that the OS / APP should sit on a Raid 1 drive and
the DB should sit on a raid 10 (1+0) drive. Currently everything sits on a
single raid 5 drive that is also shared by several other servers (VM). I
was wondering if any of you all had experimented with different RAID
configurations and seen a large gain in having the raid configurations set
as stated by the instructor. I would like to recommend to my company that we
reconfigure this server to the configurations as recommended by the
instructor but before I do so I wanted to see if it was going to be worth
the money and time we will have to invest to make these changes.

I plan to set aside a raid 1 and raid 10 that will be for our server and
that will not be shared by any other servers. In order to do this I will end
up having to buy more SAS drives and basically pull everything off the
server and rebuild it.

~Charlie

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We run SAS drives has anyone noticed a difference between the 15K rpm drives
and the 10K?



_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Tony Hughes
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server



Charlie, I know it seems a pain, but you will see great improvements in the
RAID 10 setup.

----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Wilson <foamdesigncsw@ <mailto:foamdesigncsw%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com>
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:53:52 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server

All,

I recently went to the admin class for training and pretty much learned that
the way our server's hard drives are configured is no good. According to the
instructor he recommended that the OS / APP should sit on a Raid 1 drive and
the DB should sit on a raid 10 (1+0) drive. Currently everything sits on a
single raid 5 drive that is also shared by several other servers (VM). I
was wondering if any of you all had experimented with different RAID
configurations and seen a large gain in having the raid configurations set
as stated by the instructor. I would like to recommend to my company that we
reconfigure this server to the configurations as recommended by the
instructor but before I do so I wanted to see if it was going to be worth
the money and time we will have to invest to make these changes.

I plan to set aside a raid 1 and raid 10 that will be for our server and
that will not be shared by any other servers. In order to do this I will end
up having to buy more SAS drives and basically pull everything off the
server and rebuild it.

~Charlie

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There is about a 30% performance improvement in the 15K drives for disk intensive applications. Data retrieval is considerably better. The cost difference has shrunk over the last few years which makes the 15K drives more affordable.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charlie Wilson
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:29 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server


We run SAS drives has anyone noticed a difference between the 15K rpm drives
and the 10K?

_____

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of
Tony Hughes
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 8:38 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server

Charlie, I know it seems a pain, but you will see great improvements in the
RAID 10 setup.

----- Original Message ----
From: Charlie Wilson <foamdesigncsw@ <mailto:foamdesigncsw%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com>
To: vantage@yahoogroups <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> .com
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:53:52 AM
Subject: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server

All,

I recently went to the admin class for training and pretty much learned that
the way our server's hard drives are configured is no good. According to the
instructor he recommended that the OS / APP should sit on a Raid 1 drive and
the DB should sit on a raid 10 (1+0) drive. Currently everything sits on a
single raid 5 drive that is also shared by several other servers (VM). I
was wondering if any of you all had experimented with different RAID
configurations and seen a large gain in having the raid configurations set
as stated by the instructor. I would like to recommend to my company that we
reconfigure this server to the configurations as recommended by the
instructor but before I do so I wanted to see if it was going to be worth
the money and time we will have to invest to make these changes.

I plan to set aside a raid 1 and raid 10 that will be for our server and
that will not be shared by any other servers. In order to do this I will end
up having to buy more SAS drives and basically pull everything off the
server and rebuild it.

~Charlie

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We run Vantage in a VM just fine. However, we are SQL and the SQL server is not in a VM.

The more disks you have in your RAID configuration, the faster the speed. We run our SQL DBs on a SAN which is RAID 6 across 14 drives. That blew away our RAID 10 configuration with only 4 drives. Sometimes, a RAID 10 configuration can be slower than a RAID 5 configuration depending on the amount of drives used. Very rarely though.

Joe Luster
Network Administrator
Cold Jet, LLC
455 Wards Corner Road
Loveland, Ohio 45140
513-716-6308
513-831-1209 (fax)
www.coldjet.com<http://www.coldjet.com>
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Charles Carden
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 9:55 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server


Charlie,

Your instructor is absolutely correct in the need to have your server configured with Raid 1 and Raid 10. The amount of gain that you will see will be dependent upon the amount of memory you have in your server. Also, never run Vantage on a VM.

If you can install a 64 bit operating system with at least 8 to 10 GB of memory (dependent upon the number of users) you will also see a great improvement in background processes. We saw as much as a 400% improvement in some processes by going 64 bit. You need to assign as much memory as possible to your database (dependent upon DB size).

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf Of Charlie Wilson
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 6:54 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Hard drive configuration for Vantage Server

All,

I recently went to the admin class for training and pretty much learned that
the way our server's hard drives are configured is no good. According to the
instructor he recommended that the OS / APP should sit on a Raid 1 drive and
the DB should sit on a raid 10 (1+0) drive. Currently everything sits on a
single raid 5 drive that is also shared by several other servers (VM). I
was wondering if any of you all had experimented with different RAID
configurations and seen a large gain in having the raid configurations set
as stated by the instructor. I would like to recommend to my company that we
reconfigure this server to the configurations as recommended by the
instructor but before I do so I wanted to see if it was going to be worth
the money and time we will have to invest to make these changes.

I plan to set aside a raid 1 and raid 10 that will be for our server and
that will not be shared by any other servers. In order to do this I will end
up having to buy more SAS drives and basically pull everything off the
server and rebuild it.

~Charlie

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