Problems with rebellion

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Todd mentions something similar to our situation.
The current 'method' to create quotes is a spreadsheet which has no
connection with what operations are required to make the part.
The supporters say it is quick.
The detractors say the resulting cost estimate is very inaccurate.
If the quote is accepted there is still the issue of creating the BOOM
in Vantage


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Marquette MI 49855
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906.228.0951
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Message 24
From: "Todd Caughey" caugheyt@...
Date: Mon May 15, 2006 10:34am(PDT)
Subject: Re: Problems with rebellion

I have one case and it is not really a problem with Vantage it is
politics.

We have a quoting system written in Access that is extremely tightly
tailored to our "method" of generating quotes. All the details are
entered on one screen in a grid. They click a cacluate buton and out
pops the pricing for various quantities. Entry is as fast as they can
figure out the operations required to make a part (metal stampings).

When they ahve tried Vantage they whine about the need to enter
operations on seperate screen and for extra "clicks". When I actually
measures this I found the time developing the operations for a quote was
98% of the process and the actual entry was the other 2%. Of this 2%
the Vantage version added about 15 seconds in extra clicking. But try
to get them to switch so everything can be in one system...NO WAY. Oh
boy to they whine and complain.

Problem is the departmental goals and measures are for shear volume of
quotes produced and as soon as we "force" the use of Vantage any failure
to meet this will be pinned squarely on Vantage. A red herring the size
of a grey whale. Never mind that we later spend extra hours re-keying
the BOM into Vantage for the orders that are received. Or that we can't
link sales $ to quote activity. Or that we can analyze customer
purchase vs. quote trends and ratios. It isn;t that Vantage is
worse....it's that it would be an excuse.

Fortunately if we ever go to 8.0 I think I can custimze the screens
enough to remove that last 15 seconds of "extra effort" when entering a
quote.

So sometime rebellion is not in the system but in the external
influences.

-Todd C.

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Of Kevin Berry
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion


Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
software. We have some people that like and some that love it.
Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have
that type of problem?

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Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage software. We have some people that like and some that love it. Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have that type of problem?

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Are you kidding? Rebellion is our employees' middle names. They hate
everything just to hear themselves whine. I'll send you our old ERP
system and see how fast they learn to love Vantage. I'd put the whiners
in charge of selecting the next software system so you can sit back and
bitch about what THEY bought. Love it!



Scarred and battle-worn!

Sue



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Subject: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion



Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
software. We have some people that like and some that love it.
Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have
that type of problem?

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It may be easier to ask who DOESN'T have employees complaining about some
aspect of IT . . .


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Kevin Berry
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
software. We have some people that like and some that love it.
Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have
that type of problem?

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How about a management that FIRMLY believes (as firm as the belief in WMD's)
that the company can be run on excel spread sheets.

Shirley

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Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:02 PM
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Subject: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
software. We have some people that like and some that love it.
Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have
that type of problem?

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Out of curiosity, WHY don't they like it.

We have so many people who don't like Vantage here because it is
slow....to some degree a valid reason, but not one which we are going to
dump the software.

Of course we just went with a new server and it is better, for now.



M. Manasa Reddy
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Crestview Aerospace Corporation
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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kevin Berry
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion


Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
software. We have some people that like and some that love it.
Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have
that type of problem?

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Ah yes, the same ones who prefer the warm, natural glow of gas lamps.

mjb

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Shirley Graver
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:14 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

How about a management that FIRMLY believes (as firm as the belief in WMD's)
that the company can be run on excel spread sheets.

Shirley

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Kevin Berry
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:02 PM
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Subject: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
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Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have
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I think every user has an opinion (some just and some not) of how the
software should be. Of course, in order to cater to that, one would need
very customized software, programmed for each unique user, and changed
regularly to accommodate whims. At that point, I usually throw the cost of
the software out there and politely tell them to deal with it. :)

On the other hand, there is no telling management to stop the double entry
on Excel . . .

:(

The joys of our job.



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Manasa Reddy
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:31 AM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

Out of curiosity, WHY don't they like it.

We have so many people who don't like Vantage here because it is slow....to
some degree a valid reason, but not one which we are going to dump the
software.

Of course we just went with a new server and it is better, for now.



M. Manasa Reddy
ERP Systems Specialist
Crestview Aerospace Corporation
Email: mmreddy@...
Phone: (850) 682-2746 x 272

Cell: (850) 305-0931

Radio: 186*111*3414



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From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Kevin Berry
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion


Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
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As a Quality Manager trying to instil the concepts of ISO 9001 and
continuous improvement into our workforce, the dinosaurs who form the
core of the "if it isn't broke don't fix it" brigade are the bane of my
life!



Best Regards,



Paul Whittle

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Ah yes, the same ones who prefer the warm, natural glow of gas lamps.

mjb

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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:14 AM
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How about a management that FIRMLY believes (as firm as the belief in
WMD's)
that the company can be run on excel spread sheets.

Shirley

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Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
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Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have
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The real sad point about rebelion, is that one lower level individual can
effectively make a whole installation useless flushing away hundreds of
thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of work. The IT side gets the
blame when its Upper Management that failed to tromp on them.

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I have one case and it is not really a problem with Vantage it is politics.

We have a quoting system written in Access that is extremely tightly tailored to our "method" of generating quotes. All the details are entered on one screen in a grid. They click a cacluate buton and out pops the pricing for various quantities. Entry is as fast as they can figure out the operations required to make a part (metal stampings).

When they ahve tried Vantage they whine about the need to enter operations on seperate screen and for extra "clicks". When I actually measures this I found the time developing the operations for a quote was 98% of the process and the actual entry was the other 2%. Of this 2% the Vantage version added about 15 seconds in extra clicking. But try to get them to switch so everything can be in one system...NO WAY. Oh boy to they whine and complain.

Problem is the departmental goals and measures are for shear volume of quotes produced and as soon as we "force" the use of Vantage any failure to meet this will be pinned squarely on Vantage. A red herring the size of a grey whale. Never mind that we later spend extra hours re-keying the BOM into Vantage for the orders that are received. Or that we can't link sales $ to quote activity. Or that we can analyze customer purchase vs. quote trends and ratios. It isn;t that Vantage is worse....it's that it would be an excuse.

Fortunately if we ever go to 8.0 I think I can custimze the screens enough to remove that last 15 seconds of "extra effort" when entering a quote.

So sometime rebellion is not in the system but in the external influences.

-Todd C.

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Thought you would get a kick out this from a fellow QA.





Bruce Butler

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Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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As a Quality Manager trying to instil the concepts of ISO 9001 and
continuous improvement into our workforce, the dinosaurs who form the
core of the "if it isn't broke don't fix it" brigade are the bane of my
life!



Best Regards,



Paul Whittle

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Of Michael Barry
Sent: 15 May 2006 17:36
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion



Ah yes, the same ones who prefer the warm, natural glow of gas lamps.

mjb

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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:14 AM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

How about a management that FIRMLY believes (as firm as the belief in
WMD's)
that the company can be run on excel spread sheets.

Shirley

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We should form a support group ;o)



Sue



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Of Bruce Butler
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 11:12 AM
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Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion



Thought you would get a kick out this from a fellow QA.





Bruce Butler

IT Manager

Knappe & Koester, Inc.

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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 1:17 PM
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As a Quality Manager trying to instil the concepts of ISO 9001 and
continuous improvement into our workforce, the dinosaurs who form the
core of the "if it isn't broke don't fix it" brigade are the bane of my
life!



Best Regards,



Paul Whittle

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Of Michael Barry
Sent: 15 May 2006 17:36
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion



Ah yes, the same ones who prefer the warm, natural glow of gas lamps.

mjb

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Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:14 AM
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How about a management that FIRMLY believes (as firm as the belief in
WMD's)
that the company can be run on excel spread sheets.

Shirley

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It may be easier to ask who DOESN'T have employees complaining about
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Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
software. We have some people that like and some that love it.
Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have
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Interesting Todd,

Our only rebellion was also in the quoting dept. Maybe the engineering type
personnel are the real problem. Everyone else really liked the program and
he hated it for the same reasons you stated. Guess who management listened
to? It was difficult at first but he was finally told he needed to use it.


Darren Mann
IT Manager
Miller Products Co.
1015 N. Main St.
Osceola, IA 50213
Ph. 641-342-2103
Fax 641-342-3222

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Todd Caughey
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 12:35 PM
To: millerpr@...
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

I have one case and it is not really a problem with Vantage it is politics.

We have a quoting system written in Access that is extremely tightly
tailored to our "method" of generating quotes. All the details are entered
on one screen in a grid. They click a cacluate buton and out pops the
pricing for various quantities. Entry is as fast as they can figure out the
operations required to make a part (metal stampings).

When they ahve tried Vantage they whine about the need to enter operations
on seperate screen and for extra "clicks". When I actually measures this I
found the time developing the operations for a quote was 98% of the process
and the actual entry was the other 2%. Of this 2% the Vantage version added
about 15 seconds in extra clicking. But try to get them to switch so
everything can be in one system...NO WAY. Oh boy to they whine and
complain.

Problem is the departmental goals and measures are for shear volume of
quotes produced and as soon as we "force" the use of Vantage any failure to
meet this will be pinned squarely on Vantage. A red herring the size of a
grey whale. Never mind that we later spend extra hours re-keying the BOM
into Vantage for the orders that are received. Or that we can't link sales
$ to quote activity. Or that we can analyze customer purchase vs. quote
trends and ratios. It isn;t that Vantage is worse....it's that it would be
an excuse.

Fortunately if we ever go to 8.0 I think I can custimze the screens enough
to remove that last 15 seconds of "extra effort" when entering a quote.

So sometime rebellion is not in the system but in the external influences.

-Todd C.

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Kevin Berry
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:02 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion


Has anyone had problems with employees rebelling because of the Vantage
software. We have some people that like and some that love it.
Unfortuantely, the ones that dont like it are winning. Anyone else have
that type of problem?

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I have the same comments from users as most of you (we are currently on
6.1). Users complain about
An additional mouse click when I see them wasting boo-coo minutes of
time just shooting the breeze with
Other employees. But, if I rolled out Vantage 8, with its performance
problems I would most certainly be
Tarred and feathered and run out of town.

Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

Interesting Todd,

Our only rebellion was also in the quoting dept. Maybe the engineering
type personnel are the real problem. Everyone else really liked the
program and he hated it for the same reasons you stated. Guess who
management listened to? It was difficult at first but he was finally
told he needed to use it.


Darren Mann
16
Of course, that would cut down on their time available to BS.


Edward F. Fox, Jr. CPA
Controller
Maxson Automatic Machinery Company
Phone 401-596-0162 * Fax 401-596-1050
www.maxsonautomatic.com

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
PLAMAN DICK
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 2:49 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

I have the same comments from users as most of you (we are currently on
6.1). Users complain about An additional mouse click when I see them
wasting boo-coo minutes of time just shooting the breeze with Other
employees. But, if I rolled out Vantage 8, with its performance problems I
would most certainly be Tarred and feathered and run out of town.

Subject: RE: [Vantage] Problems with rebellion

Interesting Todd,

Our only rebellion was also in the quoting dept. Maybe the engineering type
personnel are the real problem. Everyone else really liked the program and
he hated it for the same reasons you stated. Guess who management listened
to? It was difficult at first but he was finally told he needed to use it.


Darren Mann


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