Purchase to a Sales Order?

Yahoo Archive
1
Have you thought about using Lot Tracking?
Sophie
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Sanders [SMTP:ssanders@...]
> Sent: 01 December 2000 16:10
> To: vantage@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?
>
> > From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
> > What is wrong with purchasing the item directly to inventory and
> shipping
> > from inventory on the sales order?
>
> Diane,
> That's what we do currently, but the problem is that there is no
> direct link
> to the sales order. Yes, the purchasing folks put the SO info in the
> purchasing comments and, yes, we have sales people put the PO number
> in the
> pick list comments, but that's very easy to miss and there's still no
> direct
> way of knowing who the part was purchased for if you look at a stray
> item in
> inventory.
> Drop shipping a part from a vendor creates its own problem because the
> part
> never comes into our receiving so we have to trick Vantage into
> believing
> that it did, but then we have to go through several other gyrations
> because
> there is no supporting documentation.
> <sigh>
> Sometimes I think we have more work-arounds than we do regular
> procedures.
> ================
> Steve Sanders
> Delta Centrifugal Corp.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> eGroups Sponsor
>
> Travel Over to Lowestfare.com!Travel Over to Lowestfare.com!
> <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=80940.939512.2648849.2/D=egroupmail/S=170000718
> 3:N/A=462058/*http://www.lowestfare.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+lowest
> fare.home.Home?div=YAHOO&dept=RONB>
>
> We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report
> Files, please go to the following link:Â
> <http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/>
> (Note:Â If this link does not work for you the first time you try it,
> go to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose
> My Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the
> password, the link above will work the next time you try it.)
>
2
There are times that we would like to purchase non-stock items
directly to a sales order; that is, to resell a special order item. I
don't see any way of doing it without setting up a job, which seems
like a lot of extra work.

Is anybody handling these situations differently?

Are we missing something?


• Rob McFarlin, Controller
• Accel Group, Inc.
325 Quadral Dr.
Wadsworth, OH 44281
• (330)336-0317 x14
• FAX(330)336-1224
• RobM@...
3
We also purchase non-stock items referenced on a sales order. We often times
have the vendor drop ship them directly to the customer. We discovered the
potential for AP to process the invoices with out the corresponding A/R
invoice being generated. I created a advance ship notification memo on the
Crystal report Poform.rpt that is triggered anytime the ship to name is
different than the default. Depends on Getting vendor cooperation. I also
looked at using the global alert, Material Has Been Received Complete.
Unfortunately this requires that a job be created and does not allow for
partial shipments by the vendor. I too would be interested in what others
are doing.


Dan Shallbetter
States Electric Mfg.



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob McFarlin [mailto:RobM@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:36 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


There are times that we would like to purchase non-stock items
directly to a sales order; that is, to resell a special order item. I
don't see any way of doing it without setting up a job, which seems
like a lot of extra work.

Is anybody handling these situations differently?

Are we missing something?


* Rob McFarlin, Controller
* Accel Group, Inc.
325 Quadral Dr.
Wadsworth, OH 44281
* (330)336-0317 x14
* FAX(330)336-1224
* RobM@...





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
4
We would LOVE to have the ability to purchase directly to the sales order.
If anybody comes up with a good solution PLEASE make sure to post it on the
list. I would become a super-hero around here if I could find a way to make
it work!
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Shallbetter [mailto:dans@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 8:19 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


We also purchase non-stock items referenced on a sales order. We often
times
have the vendor drop ship them directly to the customer. We discovered the
potential for AP to process the invoices with out the corresponding A/R
invoice being generated. I created a advance ship notification memo on the
Crystal report Poform.rpt that is triggered anytime the ship to name is
different than the default. Depends on Getting vendor cooperation. I also
looked at using the global alert, Material Has Been Received Complete.
Unfortunately this requires that a job be created and does not allow for
partial shipments by the vendor. I too would be interested in what others
are doing.


Dan Shallbetter
States Electric Mfg.



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob McFarlin [mailto:RobM@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:36 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


There are times that we would like to purchase non-stock items
directly to a sales order; that is, to resell a special order item. I
don't see any way of doing it without setting up a job, which seems
like a lot of extra work.

Is anybody handling these situations differently?

Are we missing something?


* Rob McFarlin, Controller
* Accel Group, Inc.
325 Quadral Dr.
Wadsworth, OH 44281
* (330)336-0317 x14
* FAX(330)336-1224
* RobM@...





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


eGroups Sponsor

Travel Over to Lowestfare.com!

We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go
to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My
Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the
link above will work the next time you try it.)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
5
What is wrong with purchasing the item directly to inventory and shipping
from inventory on the sales order? We do it very rarely, but it works for
us. I realize that it is an additional step, but you would not require a
job to do it. We are still on 3.0.631, perhaps it is different in Version
4 - if so, nevermind!!

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision
425-742-7011 ex 43


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sanders [mailto:ssanders@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 7:02 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


We would LOVE to have the ability to purchase directly to the sales order.
If anybody comes up with a good solution PLEASE make sure to post it on the
list. I would become a super-hero around here if I could find a way to make
it work!
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Shallbetter [mailto:dans@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 8:19 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


We also purchase non-stock items referenced on a sales order. We often
times
have the vendor drop ship them directly to the customer. We discovered the
potential for AP to process the invoices with out the corresponding A/R
invoice being generated. I created a advance ship notification memo on the
Crystal report Poform.rpt that is triggered anytime the ship to name is
different than the default. Depends on Getting vendor cooperation. I also
looked at using the global alert, Material Has Been Received Complete.
Unfortunately this requires that a job be created and does not allow for
partial shipments by the vendor. I too would be interested in what others
are doing.


Dan Shallbetter
States Electric Mfg.



-----Original Message-----
From: Rob McFarlin [mailto:RobM@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:36 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


There are times that we would like to purchase non-stock items
directly to a sales order; that is, to resell a special order item. I
don't see any way of doing it without setting up a job, which seems
like a lot of extra work.

Is anybody handling these situations differently?

Are we missing something?


* Rob McFarlin, Controller
* Accel Group, Inc.
325 Quadral Dr.
Wadsworth, OH 44281
* (330)336-0317 x14
* FAX(330)336-1224
* RobM@...
6
> From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
> What is wrong with purchasing the item directly to inventory and shipping
> from inventory on the sales order?

Diane,
That's what we do currently, but the problem is that there is no direct link
to the sales order. Yes, the purchasing folks put the SO info in the
purchasing comments and, yes, we have sales people put the PO number in the
pick list comments, but that's very easy to miss and there's still no direct
way of knowing who the part was purchased for if you look at a stray item in
inventory.
Drop shipping a part from a vendor creates its own problem because the part
never comes into our receiving so we have to trick Vantage into believing
that it did, but then we have to go through several other gyrations because
there is no supporting documentation.
<sigh>
Sometimes I think we have more work-arounds than we do regular procedures.
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
7
diane, this is what we do as well (about 20% of our biz is distiribution)
and it is rarely a problem, except as steve points out, if we drop ship.


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sanders [mailto:ssanders@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:10 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


> From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
> What is wrong with purchasing the item directly to inventory and shipping
> from inventory on the sales order?

Diane,
That's what we do currently, but the problem is that there is no direct link
to the sales order.
8
I see your point Steve - it is a shame that we have to make all these
"manual" systems and rely on human interaction for something that could be
(or should be) automated.

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision


-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sanders [mailto:ssanders@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 8:10 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


<sigh>
Sometimes I think we have more work-arounds than we do regular procedures.
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.
9
In ver 4.00 if you have a sales order for purchased/non-stock parts it will
create a purchasing requirement and appear in Purchasing suggestion. If a PO
is created using that suggestion does it not link as if you did a job? Maybe
the logic can be updated and the order could be filled by either a po or job
and show that link. We drop ship a lot of items as well and seem to have a
real problem getting things to flow in a timely manner. Usually the vendor
is not getting as a POD as quickly as we would like.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob McFarlin [mailto:RobM@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 6:36 AM
> To: vantage@egroups.com
> Subject: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?
>
>
> There are times that we would like to purchase non-stock items
> directly to a sales order; that is, to resell a special order item. I
> don't see any way of doing it without setting up a job, which seems
> like a lot of extra work.
>
> Is anybody handling these situations differently?
>
> Are we missing something?
>
>
> • Rob McFarlin, Controller
> • Accel Group, Inc.
> 325 Quadral Dr.
> Wadsworth, OH 44281
> • (330)336-0317 x14
> • FAX(330)336-1224
> • RobM@...
>
>
>
10
Steve,

Along with being able to purchase directly to a sales order ...

How would you feel about being able to do "On the fly" - one level -
routings attached directly to a sales order ?

For instance - a line on a sales order selling "Red Trucks" with a routing
that specifies un-painted trucks from stock and an operation that paints
them "Red" ...

Where is written that only "Jobs" should have routings ?

Hey, if we are going to have these conversations it doesn't hurt to be a
tad greedy about what we would like to see.

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sanders [mailto:ssanders@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:10 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


> From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
> What is wrong with purchasing the item directly to inventory and shipping
> from inventory on the sales order?

Diane,
That's what we do currently, but the problem is that there is no direct link
to the sales order. Yes, the purchasing folks put the SO info in the
purchasing comments and, yes, we have sales people put the PO number in the
pick list comments, but that's very easy to miss and there's still no direct
way of knowing who the part was purchased for if you look at a stray item in
inventory.
Drop shipping a part from a vendor creates its own problem because the part
never comes into our receiving so we have to trick Vantage into believing
that it did, but then we have to go through several other gyrations because
there is no supporting documentation.
<sigh>
Sometimes I think we have more work-arounds than we do regular procedures.
================
Steve Sanders
Delta Centrifugal Corp.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



eGroups Sponsor

<http://rd.yahoo.com/M=80940.939512.2648849.2/D=egroupmail/S=1700007183:N/A=
462058/*http://www.lowestfare.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/AppLogic+lowestfare.home.Ho
me?div=YAHOO&dept=RONB> Travel Over to Lowestfare.com!
Travel Over to Lowestfare.com!

We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
<http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/>
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to
www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups,
choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above
will work the next time you try it.)
11
We use VB forms to mark the sales order detail with this info. I included a
screenshot of the form - don't know if it will come thru. We have a
division that has about 40% buy/resell and dropship from our vendor to cust
sales. We have a number of RB reports to track these orders - works well for
us.

Regards
Jim Stetter




-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:32 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


I see your point Steve - it is a shame that we have to make all these
"manual" systems and rely on human interaction for something that could be
(or should be) automated.

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
12
Good point Todd - we have a similar scenario here with parts where we
manufacture the parts all at once but the processing can be fairly expensive
so I have to create one job to run the incomplete part and several following
jobs to send the incomplete part out for processing (to make them "red" - so
to speak). We had to design a work around because Vantage will not allow us
inventory parts at two different cost levels - the incomplete parts being
overvalued as if they were complete. It has not been easy to coordinate
this with quality assurance and ISO, and just when we think we have it
worked out, a new part comes along with a slightly different scenario and
throws it off again. I think what you are proposing though would not really
releive an extra step as a routing would still have to be made to track the
parts through the balance of the operations. And would you pull the methods
from ABOM as well?? Maybe I am misinterpreting your idea.....?

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:00 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Steve,

Along with being able to purchase directly to a sales order ...

How would you feel about being able to do "On the fly" - one level -
routings attached directly to a sales order ?

For instance - a line on a sales order selling "Red Trucks" with a routing
that specifies un-painted trucks from stock and an operation that paints
them "Red" ...

Where is written that only "Jobs" should have routings ?

Hey, if we are going to have these conversations it doesn't hurt to be a
tad greedy about what we would like to see.

Todd Anderson
13
Diane,

You've got the basic gist of it. We have parts that we "Manufacture"
through multiple routing steps and then put them to stock. When the
customer wants them we take them from stock and "Just" shot blast them prior
to shipment. ( Shot blasting is done at the very last minute so to speak
in order to minimize rust. )

Actually I'd be happy to just key in a few routing steps and a take from
stock item number on the sales order.

At this point I'm inclined to say that "Full - multistep/multilevel"
routings using the ABOM module should be a "Job" issue.

Attaching purchased parts or simple routings to a sales order should only be
for expediency ... ??? Our sales people will tell you that to set up a job
to paint a part "Red" or to shot blast material prior to shipment is too
much work relative what is being done.

And yes, we run into the same problem with part numbers that you do. In our
shot blast situation we sell one part number ( ABC ) but stock the
manufactured, but not shot blasted, blanks as ( ABC-x ) just so we can have
a one step routing that using ( ABC-x ) as raw material and ( ABC ) has the
finished part number with one operation that says "Shot Blast".

Todd Anderson

-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:35 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Good point Todd - we have a similar scenario here with parts where we
manufacture the parts all at once but the processing can be fairly expensive
so I have to create one job to run the incomplete part and several following
jobs to send the incomplete part out for processing (to make them "red" - so
to speak). We had to design a work around because Vantage will not allow us
inventory parts at two different cost levels - the incomplete parts being
overvalued as if they were complete. It has not been easy to coordinate
this with quality assurance and ISO, and just when we think we have it
worked out, a new part comes along with a slightly different scenario and
throws it off again. I think what you are proposing though would not really
releive an extra step as a routing would still have to be made to track the
parts through the balance of the operations. And would you pull the methods
from ABOM as well?? Maybe I am misinterpreting your idea.....?

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:00 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Steve,

Along with being able to purchase directly to a sales order ...

How would you feel about being able to do "On the fly" - one level -
routings attached directly to a sales order ?

For instance - a line on a sales order selling "Red Trucks" with a routing
that specifies un-painted trucks from stock and an operation that paints
them "Red" ...

Where is written that only "Jobs" should have routings ?

Hey, if we are going to have these conversations it doesn't hurt to be a
tad greedy about what we would like to see.

Todd Anderson




eGroups Sponsor

<http://rd.yahoo.com/M=102308.1038796.2731130.908943/D=egroupmail/S=17000071
83:N/A=466331/?http://www.yahoo.com> Click Here!

We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
<http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/>
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to
www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups,
choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above
will work the next time you try it.)
14
OK Todd, and what if one level just wasn't quite enough to do the trick -
two levels - three levels - a JOB! And how do you record the fact that the
plain truck was painted red and by whom, when and at what cost. Please -
that's what a job is for. In my earlier response I stated we use a VB form
on the order detail, but we also create a job just the same. I forgot that
we set up check boxes on the job heading to indicate that the item was to be
purchased and either received here, than shipped or drop shipped by the
vendor.

Regards
Jim Stetter
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:00 PM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Steve,

Along with being able to purchase directly to a sales order ...

How would you feel about being able to do "On the fly" - one level -
routings attached directly to a sales order ?

For instance - a line on a sales order selling "Red Trucks" with a routing
that specifies un-painted trucks from stock and an operation that paints
them "Red" ...




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
15
We have created several boilerplate jobs to handle these types of
orders. Nothing much needs to be structured. We just get details from
a template then change the part numbers and link to the sales order.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Stetter [SMTP:jimstetter@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 1:27 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?

OK Todd, and what if one level just wasn't quite enough to do
the trick -
two levels - three levels - a JOB! And how do you record the
fact that the
plain truck was painted red and by whom, when and at what cost.
Please -
that's what a job is for. In my earlier response I stated we
use a VB form
on the order detail, but we also create a job just the same. I
forgot that
we set up check boxes on the job heading to indicate that the
item was to be
purchased and either received here, than shipped or drop shipped
by the
vendor.

Regards
Jim Stetter
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:00 PM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Steve,

Along with being able to purchase directly to a sales order
...

How would you feel about being able to do "On the fly" - one
level -
routings attached directly to a sales order ?

For instance - a line on a sales order selling "Red Trucks"
with a routing
that specifies un-painted trucks from stock and an operation
that paints
them "Red" ...




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


-------------------------- eGroups Sponsor

We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report
Files, please go to the following link:
http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you
try it, go to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password,
choose My Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the
password, the link above will work the next time you try it.)
16
Todd,
What about the links function from sales order entry which takes you
directly to job entry?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:48 AM
> To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?
>
>
> Diane,
>
> You've got the basic gist of it. We have parts that we "Manufacture"
> through multiple routing steps and then put them to stock. When the
> customer wants them we take them from stock and "Just" shot blast
> them prior
> to shipment. ( Shot blasting is done at the very last minute so to speak
> in order to minimize rust. )
>
> Actually I'd be happy to just key in a few routing steps and a take from
> stock item number on the sales order.
>
> At this point I'm inclined to say that "Full - multistep/multilevel"
> routings using the ABOM module should be a "Job" issue.
>
> Attaching purchased parts or simple routings to a sales order
> should only be
> for expediency ... ??? Our sales people will tell you that to
> set up a job
> to paint a part "Red" or to shot blast material prior to shipment is too
> much work relative what is being done.
>
> And yes, we run into the same problem with part numbers that you
> do. In our
> shot blast situation we sell one part number ( ABC ) but stock the
> manufactured, but not shot blasted, blanks as ( ABC-x ) just so
> we can have
> a one step routing that using ( ABC-x ) as raw material and ( ABC
> ) has the
> finished part number with one operation that says "Shot Blast".
>
> Todd Anderson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:35 AM
> To: vantage@egroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?
>
>
> Good point Todd - we have a similar scenario here with parts where we
> manufacture the parts all at once but the processing can be
> fairly expensive
> so I have to create one job to run the incomplete part and
> several following
> jobs to send the incomplete part out for processing (to make them
> "red" - so
> to speak). We had to design a work around because Vantage will
> not allow us
> inventory parts at two different cost levels - the incomplete parts being
> overvalued as if they were complete. It has not been easy to coordinate
> this with quality assurance and ISO, and just when we think we have it
> worked out, a new part comes along with a slightly different scenario and
> throws it off again. I think what you are proposing though would
> not really
> releive an extra step as a routing would still have to be made to
> track the
> parts through the balance of the operations. And would you pull
> the methods
> from ABOM as well?? Maybe I am misinterpreting your idea.....?
>
> Diane Rowberry
> Westwood Precision
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:00 AM
> To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?
>
>
> Steve,
>
> Along with being able to purchase directly to a sales order ...
>
> How would you feel about being able to do "On the fly" - one level -
> routings attached directly to a sales order ?
>
> For instance - a line on a sales order selling "Red Trucks" with a routing
> that specifies un-painted trucks from stock and an operation that paints
> them "Red" ...
>
> Where is written that only "Jobs" should have routings ?
>
> Hey, if we are going to have these conversations it doesn't hurt to be a
> tad greedy about what we would like to see.
>
> Todd Anderson
>
>
17
Diane, why wouldn't you receive the incomplete parts to inventory as a
different part#. That way, when you get the order to ship the item, you
issue the "incomplete part" or create as a subassembly on the finished part
plus whatever it takes to finish the job.

Just my 2 cents
Jim Stetter
-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:35 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Good point Todd - we have a similar scenario here with parts where we
manufacture the parts all at once but the processing can be fairly
expensive
so I have to create one job to run the incomplete part and several
following
jobs to send the incomplete part out for processing (to make them "red" -
so
to speak). We had to design a work around because Vantage will not allow
us
inventory parts at two different cost levels - the incomplete parts being
overvalued as if they were complete. It has not been easy to coordinate
this with quality assurance and ISO, and just when we think we have it
worked out, a new part comes along with a slightly different scenario and
throws it off again. I think what you are proposing though would not
really
releive an extra step as a routing would still have to be made to track
the
parts through the balance of the operations. And would you pull the
methods
from ABOM as well?? Maybe I am misinterpreting your idea.....?

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:00 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Steve,

Along with being able to purchase directly to a sales order ...

How would you feel about being able to do "On the fly" - one level -
routings attached directly to a sales order ?

For instance - a line on a sales order selling "Red Trucks" with a routing
that specifies un-painted trucks from stock and an operation that paints
them "Red" ...

Where is written that only "Jobs" should have routings ?

Hey, if we are going to have these conversations it doesn't hurt to be a
tad greedy about what we would like to see.

Todd Anderson



eGroups Sponsor


We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go
to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My
Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the
link above will work the next time you try it.)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
18
Jim, Vantage will not let you receive to inventory as a different part
number - it has to be the same part number the job starts with. You get two
(or more) similar part numbers in the part master. In our case we add a -U
to the parent part number. So I have a job to build 100 -U parts that go to
inventory, then (for example) I have 2 jobs for the parent part that pull
the -U part from inventory as the material requirement and contain the
operations necessary to complete the part to the order. Is this what you
were describing? This works well also if you have one basic part that can
be made into several different parts just by a difference in paint color.

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision


-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Stetter [mailto:jimstetter@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 10:33 AM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Diane, why wouldn't you receive the incomplete parts to inventory as a
different part#. That way, when you get the order to ship the item, you
issue the "incomplete part" or create as a subassembly on the finished part
plus whatever it takes to finish the job.

Just my 2 cents
Jim Stetter
-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:35 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Good point Todd - we have a similar scenario here with parts where we
manufacture the parts all at once but the processing can be fairly
expensive
so I have to create one job to run the incomplete part and several
following
jobs to send the incomplete part out for processing (to make them "red" -
so
to speak). We had to design a work around because Vantage will not allow
us
inventory parts at two different cost levels - the incomplete parts being
overvalued as if they were complete. It has not been easy to coordinate
this with quality assurance and ISO, and just when we think we have it
worked out, a new part comes along with a slightly different scenario and
throws it off again. I think what you are proposing though would not
really
releive an extra step as a routing would still have to be made to track
the
parts through the balance of the operations. And would you pull the
methods
from ABOM as well?? Maybe I am misinterpreting your idea.....?

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision


-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 9:00 AM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Steve,

Along with being able to purchase directly to a sales order ...

How would you feel about being able to do "On the fly" - one level -
routings attached directly to a sales order ?

For instance - a line on a sales order selling "Red Trucks" with a routing
that specifies un-painted trucks from stock and an operation that paints
them "Red" ...

Where is written that only "Jobs" should have routings ?

Hey, if we are going to have these conversations it doesn't hurt to be a
tad greedy about what we would like to see.

Todd Anderson



eGroups Sponsor


We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go
to www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My
Groups, choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the
link above will work the next time you try it.)



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to
www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups,
choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above
will work the next time you try it.)
19
Geez Jim,

Let's not introduce to much reality into the equation ... :-)

Actually - my intention was to suggest a VERY limited routing ability from a
sales order. And yes - Data Collection should still apply. Instead of a
job number you would have a S/O number.

As an alternative - how about a abbreviated, short-cut, fast way to produce
a job ? And yes, we do use skeleton routings from BOM module but it is
still time consuming for high qty's of jobs.

Todd

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Stetter [mailto:jimstetter@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:27 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


OK Todd, and what if one level just wasn't quite enough to do the trick -
two levels - three levels - a JOB! And how do you record the fact that the
plain truck was painted red and by whom, when and at what cost. Please -
that's what a job is for. In my earlier response I stated we use a VB form
on the order detail, but we also create a job just the same. I forgot that
we set up check boxes on the job heading to indicate that the item was to be
purchased and either received here, than shipped or drop shipped by the
vendor.

Regards
Jim Stetter
-----Original Message-----
From: Todd Anderson [mailto:tanderson@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:00 PM
To: 'vantage@egroups.com'
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Steve,

Along with being able to purchase directly to a sales order ...

How would you feel about being able to do "On the fly" - one level -
routings attached directly to a sales order ?

For instance - a line on a sales order selling "Red Trucks" with a routing
that specifies un-painted trucks from stock and an operation that paints
them "Red" ...




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



eGroups Sponsor

<http://rd.yahoo.com/M=102308.1038796.2731130.908943/D=egroupmail/S=17000071
83:N/A=466330/?http://www.yahoo.com> Click Here!

We no longer allow attachments to files. To access/share Report Files,
please go to the following link: http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/
<http://www.egroups.com/files/vantage/>
(Note: If this link does not work for you the first time you try it, go to
www.egroups.com, login and be sure to save your password, choose My Groups,
choose Vantage, then choose Files. If you save the password, the link above
will work the next time you try it.)
20
Exactly, Diane.
JS
-----Original Message-----
From: Diane Rowberry [mailto:diane.rowberry@...]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 2:28 PM
To: vantage@egroups.com
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Purchase to a Sales Order?


Jim, Vantage will not let you receive to inventory as a different part
number - it has to be the same part number the job starts with. You get
two
(or more) similar part numbers in the part master. In our case we add
a -U
to the parent part number. So I have a job to build 100 -U parts that go
to
inventory, then (for example) I have 2 jobs for the parent part that pull
the -U part from inventory as the material requirement and contain the
operations necessary to complete the part to the order. Is this what you
were describing? This works well also if you have one basic part that can
be made into several different parts just by a difference in paint color.

Diane Rowberry
Westwood Precision





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]