Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 - Is 64Bit worth it

> I've never thought Progress was the bottle neck but the recompilation of all
> Epicor's Admin Tool Conversion Routines to 64-bit.

That's not entirely fair. Part of the problem is that Epicor still
uses the Progress GUI framework for the admin tools routines, which
they have long abandoned for everything else.

They could convert their tools to either non-gui code or to .Net
client/server code. In fact they have moved parts of the old
admin tools to the Administration Console which is a .Net application,
which is a good start.

Now if they would convert the remaining code to non-gui, it would
run faster, on any platform (including Unix/Linux) and it would
not halt at each message (ie no more babysitting conversion routines).

Pim
After performing the upgrade I am getting the following error when attempting to run any Epicor program including Schema Change and Admin Tools:

The shared memory is version 33685504; expected 12009 (1178)

Has anyone seen this before?

I did not uninstall either OpenEdge 10.1c or Epicor 9.04.504 as the installation of 9.05 did not indicate that I needed to. I did try once to uninstall Epicor 9.04.504 but it failed to uninstall. Since it would uninstall then I did not uninstall OpenEdge 10.1c either. The Admin Service for 10.1c is disabled.

I am running Windows 2003R2 Standard 64 bit. I have installed OpenEdge 10.2a 64bit and Epicor 9.05.603. I realize the error is an OpenEdge error but I was not able to find anything on the Progress web site that provided a definitive answer. I also get the same error when I attempt to run Data Administrator or Data Dictionary from the OpenEdge menu. I am able to run PROMON under the Pro Environment and I can run Epicor Data Administration as well. I can import a license file and add a new company to the database without any problem.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Charles Carden
IT Manager
Manitex, Inc.
Georgetown, Texas

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You need to install OpenEdge 10.2A 32-bit on a separate workstation and then
install the Admin Tools there.

The Admin Tools and Schema Change Tools do not work with the 64-bit version
of OpenEdge.

Section 7 of the Installation Guide.


Ned
Alternative Technology Partners


-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charles Carden
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error

After performing the upgrade I am getting the following error when
attempting to run any Epicor program including Schema Change and Admin
Tools:

The shared memory is version 33685504; expected 12009 (1178)

Has anyone seen this before?

I did not uninstall either OpenEdge 10.1c or Epicor 9.04.504 as the
installation of 9.05 did not indicate that I needed to. I did try once to
uninstall Epicor 9.04.504 but it failed to uninstall. Since it would
uninstall then I did not uninstall OpenEdge 10.1c either. The Admin Service
for 10.1c is disabled.

I am running Windows 2003R2 Standard 64 bit. I have installed OpenEdge
10.2a 64bit and Epicor 9.05.603. I realize the error is an OpenEdge error
but I was not able to find anything on the Progress web site that provided a
definitive answer. I also get the same error when I attempt to run Data
Administrator or Data Dictionary from the OpenEdge menu. I am able to run
PROMON under the Pro Environment and I can run Epicor Data Administration as
well. I can import a license file and add a new company to the database
without any problem.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.



Charles Carden
IT Manager
Manitex, Inc.
Georgetown, Texas

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I understood the 32bit installation was for the Progress Explorer Tool not everything associated with the database.

Charles Carden
IT Manager
Manitex, Inc.
Georgetown, Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: Ned
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error



You need to install OpenEdge 10.2A 32-bit on a separate workstation and then
install the Admin Tools there.

The Admin Tools and Schema Change Tools do not work with the 64-bit version
of OpenEdge.

Section 7 of the Installation Guide.

Ned
Alternative Technology Partners

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Charles Carden
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error

After performing the upgrade I am getting the following error when
attempting to run any Epicor program including Schema Change and Admin
Tools:

The shared memory is version 33685504; expected 12009 (1178)

Has anyone seen this before?

I did not uninstall either OpenEdge 10.1c or Epicor 9.04.504 as the
installation of 9.05 did not indicate that I needed to. I did try once to
uninstall Epicor 9.04.504 but it failed to uninstall. Since it would
uninstall then I did not uninstall OpenEdge 10.1c either. The Admin Service
for 10.1c is disabled.

I am running Windows 2003R2 Standard 64 bit. I have installed OpenEdge
10.2a 64bit and Epicor 9.05.603. I realize the error is an OpenEdge error
but I was not able to find anything on the Progress web site that provided a
definitive answer. I also get the same error when I attempt to run Data
Administrator or Data Dictionary from the OpenEdge menu. I am able to run
PROMON under the Pro Environment and I can run Epicor Data Administration as
well. I can import a license file and add a new company to the database
without any problem.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Charles Carden
IT Manager
Manitex, Inc.
Georgetown, Texas

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

------------------------------------

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already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
(1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
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(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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Correct, you don't need to create a database on your 32-bit admin
workstation, nor start any of the services.



However, the Admin Tools & Schema Change (optional components during the
Epicor client install) are 32-bit OpenEdge programs, and these will
connect to your main database on your 64-bit server for upgrades & other
rare admin tasks.



As you have discovered, the Progress Explorer Tool is 32-bit only.
There is replacement called OpenEdge Management Explorer which can run
on a 64-bit server (web page interface) - its an optional download &
install. There used to be a problem with the Epicor provided
configuration file for it, a fix was posted on this group a couple of
weeks ago.



Brian.



________________________________

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Charles Carden
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:59 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error





I understood the 32bit installation was for the Progress Explorer Tool
not everything associated with the database.

Charles Carden
IT Manager
Manitex, Inc.
Georgetown, Texas
----- Original Message -----
From: Ned
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:43 AM
Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error

You need to install OpenEdge 10.2A 32-bit on a separate workstation and
then
install the Admin Tools there.

The Admin Tools and Schema Change Tools do not work with the 64-bit
version
of OpenEdge.

Section 7 of the Installation Guide.

Ned
Alternative Technology Partners

-----Original Message-----
From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
Behalf Of
Charles Carden
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error

After performing the upgrade I am getting the following error when
attempting to run any Epicor program including Schema Change and Admin
Tools:

The shared memory is version 33685504; expected 12009 (1178)

Has anyone seen this before?

I did not uninstall either OpenEdge 10.1c or Epicor 9.04.504 as the
installation of 9.05 did not indicate that I needed to. I did try once
to
uninstall Epicor 9.04.504 but it failed to uninstall. Since it would
uninstall then I did not uninstall OpenEdge 10.1c either. The Admin
Service
for 10.1c is disabled.

I am running Windows 2003R2 Standard 64 bit. I have installed OpenEdge
10.2a 64bit and Epicor 9.05.603. I realize the error is an OpenEdge
error
but I was not able to find anything on the Progress web site that
provided a
definitive answer. I also get the same error when I attempt to run Data
Administrator or Data Dictionary from the OpenEdge menu. I am able to
run
PROMON under the Pro Environment and I can run Epicor Data
Administration as
well. I can import a license file and add a new company to the database
without any problem.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Charles Carden
IT Manager
Manitex, Inc.
Georgetown, Texas

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
have
already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
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and
Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
(2) To search through old msg's goto:
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We upgraded from 9.04 to 9.05. We started with 32bit Progress to make the upgrade easier. Are the preformance improvements with 64bit worth the issues with the required 32bit workstation? Is there a performance hit when running schema changes or conversions from the workstation? Our db is about 9GB. Thanks in advance for advise.
Dan

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Roberts" <broberts@...> wrote:
>
> Correct, you don't need to create a database on your 32-bit admin
> workstation, nor start any of the services.
>
>
>
> However, the Admin Tools & Schema Change (optional components during the
> Epicor client install) are 32-bit OpenEdge programs, and these will
> connect to your main database on your 64-bit server for upgrades & other
> rare admin tasks.
>
>
>
> As you have discovered, the Progress Explorer Tool is 32-bit only.
> There is replacement called OpenEdge Management Explorer which can run
> on a 64-bit server (web page interface) - its an optional download &
> install. There used to be a problem with the Epicor provided
> configuration file for it, a fix was posted on this group a couple of
> weeks ago.
>
>
>
> Brian.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Charles Carden
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:59 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>
>
>
>
>
> I understood the 32bit installation was for the Progress Explorer Tool
> not everything associated with the database.
>
> Charles Carden
> IT Manager
> Manitex, Inc.
> Georgetown, Texas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ned
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>
> You need to install OpenEdge 10.2A 32-bit on a separate workstation and
> then
> install the Admin Tools there.
>
> The Admin Tools and Schema Change Tools do not work with the 64-bit
> version
> of OpenEdge.
>
> Section 7 of the Installation Guide.
>
> Ned
> Alternative Technology Partners
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of
> Charles Carden
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>
> After performing the upgrade I am getting the following error when
> attempting to run any Epicor program including Schema Change and Admin
> Tools:
>
> The shared memory is version 33685504; expected 12009 (1178)
>
> Has anyone seen this before?
>
> I did not uninstall either OpenEdge 10.1c or Epicor 9.04.504 as the
> installation of 9.05 did not indicate that I needed to. I did try once
> to
> uninstall Epicor 9.04.504 but it failed to uninstall. Since it would
> uninstall then I did not uninstall OpenEdge 10.1c either. The Admin
> Service
> for 10.1c is disabled.
>
> I am running Windows 2003R2 Standard 64 bit. I have installed OpenEdge
> 10.2a 64bit and Epicor 9.05.603. I realize the error is an OpenEdge
> error
> but I was not able to find anything on the Progress web site that
> provided a
> definitive answer. I also get the same error when I attempt to run Data
> Administrator or Data Dictionary from the OpenEdge menu. I am able to
> run
> PROMON under the Pro Environment and I can run Epicor Data
> Administration as
> well. I can import a license file and add a new company to the database
> without any problem.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Charles Carden
> IT Manager
> Manitex, Inc.
> Georgetown, Texas
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
There are performance benefits by moving to 64 bit, but you have to make sure you take the steps to see them.
First the block size of your hard drives/RAID need to be set to the same size as the block size of the DB or a multiple of the DB.
Second you will be required to do a dump and reload of your database. This will change the block size of the DB from 4k to 8k.

As for performance with Schema change and admin tools, yes you will noticed a significant hit. There is something that Progress doesn't like about running over a network. I do this with 2 virtual machines hosted on the same physical host and connected to the SAN with redundant 10 gigE and it is still slow.

When I converted from Vantage progress 32 bit to Epicor 9.05.602 Progress 64 bit I ran all my conversions in 32 bit which saved me about 4 hours of time on a 3-4 gig database. After that I did the dump and reload. I wont truly know how bad the conversions will be until I SP4 releases at the end of the month. I just know that in my testing before we went live there was a significant performance difference.

"Zac" Jason Woodward
Network Administrator
Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
O: 877-544-2291
M: 435-820-6515
F: 435-637-9601
www.ie-corp.com

Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and experienced industry experts.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Sirow
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:43 AM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Vantage] Re: Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 - Is 64Bit worth it




We upgraded from 9.04 to 9.05. We started with 32bit Progress to make the upgrade easier. Are the preformance improvements with 64bit worth the issues with the required 32bit workstation? Is there a performance hit when running schema changes or conversions from the workstation? Our db is about 9GB. Thanks in advance for advise.
Dan

--- In vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>, "Brian Roberts" <broberts@...> wrote:
>
> Correct, you don't need to create a database on your 32-bit admin
> workstation, nor start any of the services.
>
>
>
> However, the Admin Tools & Schema Change (optional components during the
> Epicor client install) are 32-bit OpenEdge programs, and these will
> connect to your main database on your 64-bit server for upgrades & other
> rare admin tasks.
>
>
>
> As you have discovered, the Progress Explorer Tool is 32-bit only.
> There is replacement called OpenEdge Management Explorer which can run
> on a 64-bit server (web page interface) - its an optional download &
> install. There used to be a problem with the Epicor provided
> configuration file for it, a fix was posted on this group a couple of
> weeks ago.
>
>
>
> Brian.
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
> Of Charles Carden
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:59 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>
>
>
>
>
> I understood the 32bit installation was for the Progress Explorer Tool
> not everything associated with the database.
>
> Charles Carden
> IT Manager
> Manitex, Inc.
> Georgetown, Texas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ned
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:43 AM
> Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>
> You need to install OpenEdge 10.2A 32-bit on a separate workstation and
> then
> install the Admin Tools there.
>
> The Admin Tools and Schema Change Tools do not work with the 64-bit
> version
> of OpenEdge.
>
> Section 7 of the Installation Guide.
>
> Ned
> Alternative Technology Partners
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> Behalf Of
> Charles Carden
> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 AM
> To: vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>
> After performing the upgrade I am getting the following error when
> attempting to run any Epicor program including Schema Change and Admin
> Tools:
>
> The shared memory is version 33685504; expected 12009 (1178)
>
> Has anyone seen this before?
>
> I did not uninstall either OpenEdge 10.1c or Epicor 9.04.504 as the
> installation of 9.05 did not indicate that I needed to. I did try once
> to
> uninstall Epicor 9.04.504 but it failed to uninstall. Since it would
> uninstall then I did not uninstall OpenEdge 10.1c either. The Admin
> Service
> for 10.1c is disabled.
>
> I am running Windows 2003R2 Standard 64 bit. I have installed OpenEdge
> 10.2a 64bit and Epicor 9.05.603. I realize the error is an OpenEdge
> error
> but I was not able to find anything on the Progress web site that
> provided a
> definitive answer. I also get the same error when I attempt to run Data
> Administrator or Data Dictionary from the OpenEdge menu. I am able to
> run
> PROMON under the Pro Environment and I can run Epicor Data
> Administration as
> well. I can import a license file and add a new company to the database
> without any problem.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Charles Carden
> IT Manager
> Manitex, Inc.
> Georgetown, Texas
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have
> already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
> and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>



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We tried the 64/32 bit combo that E9/64bit
requires and abandoned it due to the
complications of OE. We adjusted by installing
905 on 32 bit and running the SQL Db in 64
bit. That way we put the IO/OP load in the 64
bit environment and the E9 application in one
cohesive Open Edge/E9 32 bit environment.

When Open Edge catches up to 64 bit we will probable move OE/E9 up.

Bob Carlson
bcarlson@...

At 11:43 AM 3/1/2011, you wrote:
>
>
>
>
>We upgraded from 9.04 to 9.05. We started with
>32bit Progress to make the upgrade easier. Are
>the preformance improvements with 64bit worth
>the issues with the required 32bit workstation?
>Is there a performance hit when running schema
>changes or conversions from the workstation? Our
>db is about 9GB. Thanks in advance for advise.
>Dan
>
>--- In
><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com,
>"Brian Roberts" <broberts@...> wrote:
> >
> > Correct, you don't need to create a database on your 32-bit admin
> > workstation, nor start any of the services.
> >
> >
> >
> > However, the Admin Tools & Schema Change (optional components during the
> > Epicor client install) are 32-bit OpenEdge programs, and these will
> > connect to your main database on your 64-bit server for upgrades & other
> > rare admin tasks.
> >
> >
> >
> > As you have discovered, the Progress Explorer Tool is 32-bit only.
> > There is replacement called OpenEdge Management Explorer which can run
> > on a 64-bit server (web page interface) - its an optional download &
> > install. There used to be a problem with the Epicor provided
> > configuration file for it, a fix was posted on this group a couple of
> > weeks ago.
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian.
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From:
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> > Of Charles Carden
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:59 AM
> > To: <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I understood the 32bit installation was for the Progress Explorer Tool
> > not everything associated with the database.
> >
> > Charles Carden
> > IT Manager
> > Manitex, Inc.
> > Georgetown, Texas
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ned
> > To:
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:43 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
> >
> > You need to install OpenEdge 10.2A 32-bit on a separate workstation and
> > then
> > install the Admin Tools there.
> >
> > The Admin Tools and Schema Change Tools do not work with the 64-bit
> > version
> > of OpenEdge.
> >
> > Section 7 of the Installation Guide.
> >
> > Ned
> > Alternative Technology Partners
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > Behalf Of
> > Charles Carden
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 AM
> > To:
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
> >
> > After performing the upgrade I am getting the following error when
> > attempting to run any Epicor program including Schema Change and Admin
> > Tools:
> >
> > The shared memory is version 33685504; expected 12009 (1178)
> >
> > Has anyone seen this before?
> >
> > I did not uninstall either OpenEdge 10.1c or Epicor 9.04.504 as the
> > installation of 9.05 did not indicate that I needed to. I did try once
> > to
> > uninstall Epicor 9.04.504 but it failed to uninstall. Since it would
> > uninstall then I did not uninstall OpenEdge 10.1c either. The Admin
> > Service
> > for 10.1c is disabled.
> >
> > I am running Windows 2003R2 Standard 64 bit. I have installed OpenEdge
> > 10.2a 64bit and Epicor 9.05.603. I realize the error is an OpenEdge
> > error
> > but I was not able to find anything on the Progress web site that
> > provided a
> > definitive answer. I also get the same error when I attempt to run Data
> > Administrator or Data Dictionary from the OpenEdge menu. I am able to
> > run
> > PROMON under the Pro Environment and I can run Epicor Data
> > Administration as
> > well. I can import a license file and add a new company to the database
> > without any problem.
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Charles Carden
> > IT Manager
> > Manitex, Inc.
> > Georgetown, Texas
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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Robert (Bob) Carlson
rcarlson@...
Mobile: 603-883-8093

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
I've never thought Progress was the bottle neck but the recompilation of all
Epicor's Admin Tool Conversion Routines to 64-bit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Carlson" <rcarlson@...>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 - Is 64Bit worth it


> We tried the 64/32 bit combo that E9/64bit
> requires and abandoned it due to the
> complications of OE. We adjusted by installing
> 905 on 32 bit and running the SQL Db in 64
> bit. That way we put the IO/OP load in the 64
> bit environment and the E9 application in one
> cohesive Open Edge/E9 32 bit environment.
>
> When Open Edge catches up to 64 bit we will probable move OE/E9 up.
>
> Bob Carlson
> bcarlson@...
>
> At 11:43 AM 3/1/2011, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>We upgraded from 9.04 to 9.05. We started with
>>32bit Progress to make the upgrade easier. Are
>>the preformance improvements with 64bit worth
>>the issues with the required 32bit workstation?
>>Is there a performance hit when running schema
>>changes or conversions from the workstation? Our
>>db is about 9GB. Thanks in advance for advise.
>>Dan
>>
>>--- In
>><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com,
>>"Brian Roberts" <broberts@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Correct, you don't need to create a database on your 32-bit admin
>> > workstation, nor start any of the services.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > However, the Admin Tools & Schema Change (optional components during
>> > the
>> > Epicor client install) are 32-bit OpenEdge programs, and these will
>> > connect to your main database on your 64-bit server for upgrades &
>> > other
>> > rare admin tasks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > As you have discovered, the Progress Explorer Tool is 32-bit only.
>> > There is replacement called OpenEdge Management Explorer which can run
>> > on a 64-bit server (web page interface) - its an optional download &
>> > install. There used to be a problem with the Epicor provided
>> > configuration file for it, a fix was posted on this group a couple of
>> > weeks ago.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Brian.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From:
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
>> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
>> > Of Charles Carden
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:59 AM
>> > To: <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
>> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I understood the 32bit installation was for the Progress Explorer Tool
>> > not everything associated with the database.
>> >
>> > Charles Carden
>> > IT Manager
>> > Manitex, Inc.
>> > Georgetown, Texas
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Ned
>> > To:
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:43 AM
>> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>> >
>> > You need to install OpenEdge 10.2A 32-bit on a separate workstation and
>> > then
>> > install the Admin Tools there.
>> >
>> > The Admin Tools and Schema Change Tools do not work with the 64-bit
>> > version
>> > of OpenEdge.
>> >
>> > Section 7 of the Installation Guide.
>> >
>> > Ned
>> > Alternative Technology Partners
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From:
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
>> > Behalf Of
>> > Charles Carden
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 AM
>> > To:
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Subject: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>> >
>> > After performing the upgrade I am getting the following error when
>> > attempting to run any Epicor program including Schema Change and Admin
>> > Tools:
>> >
>> > The shared memory is version 33685504; expected 12009 (1178)
>> >
>> > Has anyone seen this before?
>> >
>> > I did not uninstall either OpenEdge 10.1c or Epicor 9.04.504 as the
>> > installation of 9.05 did not indicate that I needed to. I did try once
>> > to
>> > uninstall Epicor 9.04.504 but it failed to uninstall. Since it would
>> > uninstall then I did not uninstall OpenEdge 10.1c either. The Admin
>> > Service
>> > for 10.1c is disabled.
>> >
>> > I am running Windows 2003R2 Standard 64 bit. I have installed OpenEdge
>> > 10.2a 64bit and Epicor 9.05.603. I realize the error is an OpenEdge
>> > error
>> > but I was not able to find anything on the Progress web site that
>> > provided a
>> > definitive answer. I also get the same error when I attempt to run Data
>> > Administrator or Data Dictionary from the OpenEdge menu. I am able to
>> > run
>> > PROMON under the Pro Environment and I can run Epicor Data
>> > Administration as
>> > well. I can import a license file and add a new company to the database
>> > without any problem.
>> >
>> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> > Charles Carden
>> > IT Manager
>> > Manitex, Inc.
>> > Georgetown, Texas
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
>> > have
>> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
>> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
>> > and
>> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
>> >
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
>> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
>> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
>> >
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
>> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
>> >
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo!
>> Groups Links
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Robert (Bob) Carlson
> rcarlson@...
> Mobile: 603-883-8093
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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Currently Epicor has no ETA, if ever, the 64 bit tools will be available. My understanding is that Progress removed many, if not most of the tools that were 32 bit. Because of this stroke of genius on Progress' part it makes creating the 64 bit tools almost impossible for Epicor.

As for making the move the MSSQL I highly recommend finding people that have successfully deployed it and find out the hardware specs of their deployment. I am biased and support staying with progross.

"Zac" Jason Woodward
Network Administrator
Intermountain Electronics, Inc.
O: 877-544-2291
M: 435-820-6515
F: 435-637-9601
www.ie-corp.com

Creating customer confidence through extraordinary service and experienced industry experts.

From: vantage@yahoogroups.com [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Robisch
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:35 PM
To: vantage@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 - Is 64Bit worth it



I've never thought Progress was the bottle neck but the recompilation of all
Epicor's Admin Tool Conversion Routines to 64-bit.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Carlson" <rcarlson@...<mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com>>
To: <vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Vantage] Re: Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 - Is 64Bit worth it

> We tried the 64/32 bit combo that E9/64bit
> requires and abandoned it due to the
> complications of OE. We adjusted by installing
> 905 on 32 bit and running the SQL Db in 64
> bit. That way we put the IO/OP load in the 64
> bit environment and the E9 application in one
> cohesive Open Edge/E9 32 bit environment.
>
> When Open Edge catches up to 64 bit we will probable move OE/E9 up.
>
> Bob Carlson
> bcarlson@...<mailto:bcarlson%40fillc.com>
>
> At 11:43 AM 3/1/2011, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>We upgraded from 9.04 to 9.05. We started with
>>32bit Progress to make the upgrade easier. Are
>>the preformance improvements with 64bit worth
>>the issues with the required 32bit workstation?
>>Is there a performance hit when running schema
>>changes or conversions from the workstation? Our
>>db is about 9GB. Thanks in advance for advise.
>>Dan
>>
>>--- In
>><mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>,
>>"Brian Roberts" <broberts@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Correct, you don't need to create a database on your 32-bit admin
>> > workstation, nor start any of the services.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > However, the Admin Tools & Schema Change (optional components during
>> > the
>> > Epicor client install) are 32-bit OpenEdge programs, and these will
>> > connect to your main database on your 64-bit server for upgrades &
>> > other
>> > rare admin tasks.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > As you have discovered, the Progress Explorer Tool is 32-bit only.
>> > There is replacement called OpenEdge Management Explorer which can run
>> > on a 64-bit server (web page interface) - its an optional download &
>> > install. There used to be a problem with the Epicor provided
>> > configuration file for it, a fix was posted on this group a couple of
>> > weeks ago.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Brian.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From:
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>] On Behalf
>> > Of Charles Carden
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 9:59 AM
>> > To: <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I understood the 32bit installation was for the Progress Explorer Tool
>> > not everything associated with the database.
>> >
>> > Charles Carden
>> > IT Manager
>> > Manitex, Inc.
>> > Georgetown, Texas
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: Ned
>> > To:
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 7:43 AM
>> > Subject: RE: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>> >
>> > You need to install OpenEdge 10.2A 32-bit on a separate workstation and
>> > then
>> > install the Admin Tools there.
>> >
>> > The Admin Tools and Schema Change Tools do not work with the 64-bit
>> > version
>> > of OpenEdge.
>> >
>> > Section 7 of the Installation Guide.
>> >
>> > Ned
>> > Alternative Technology Partners
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From:
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > [mailto:vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
>> > Behalf Of
>> > Charles Carden
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2011 12:36 AM
>> > To:
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>vantage@yahoogroups.com<mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> <mailto:vantage%40yahoogroups.com>
>> > Subject: [Vantage] Upgrade from 9.04 to 9.05 error
>> >
>> > After performing the upgrade I am getting the following error when
>> > attempting to run any Epicor program including Schema Change and Admin
>> > Tools:
>> >
>> > The shared memory is version 33685504; expected 12009 (1178)
>> >
>> > Has anyone seen this before?
>> >
>> > I did not uninstall either OpenEdge 10.1c or Epicor 9.04.504 as the
>> > installation of 9.05 did not indicate that I needed to. I did try once
>> > to
>> > uninstall Epicor 9.04.504 but it failed to uninstall. Since it would
>> > uninstall then I did not uninstall OpenEdge 10.1c either. The Admin
>> > Service
>> > for 10.1c is disabled.
>> >
>> > I am running Windows 2003R2 Standard 64 bit. I have installed OpenEdge
>> > 10.2a 64bit and Epicor 9.05.603. I realize the error is an OpenEdge
>> > error
>> > but I was not able to find anything on the Progress web site that
>> > provided a
>> > definitive answer. I also get the same error when I attempt to run Data
>> > Administrator or Data Dictionary from the OpenEdge menu. I am able to
>> > run
>> > PROMON under the Pro Environment and I can run Epicor Data
>> > Administration as
>> > well. I can import a license file and add a new company to the database
>> > without any problem.
>> >
>> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >
>> > Charles Carden
>> > IT Manager
>> > Manitex, Inc.
>> > Georgetown, Texas
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> > ------------------------------------
>> >
>> > Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
>> > have
>> > already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
>> > (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder
>> > and
>> > Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
>> >
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
>> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
>> > (2) To search through old msg's goto:
>> >
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
>> > (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
>> >
>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo!
>> Groups Links
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>
>
> Robert (Bob) Carlson
> rcarlson@...<mailto:rcarlson%40robcar.mv.com>
> Mobile: 603-883-8093
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Useful links for the Yahoo!Groups Vantage Board are: ( Note: You must
> have already linked your email address to a yahoo id to enable access. )
> (1) To access the Files Section of our Yahoo!Group for Report Builder and
> Crystal Reports and other 'goodies', please goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/.<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/files/>
> (2) To search through old msg's goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/messages
> (3) To view links to Vendors that provide Vantage services goto:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vantage/linksYahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
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> There are performance benefits by moving to 64 bit, but you have to make sure you take the steps to see them.
> First the block size of your hard drives/RAID need to be set to the same size as the block size of the DB or a multiple of the DB.
> Second you will be required to do a dump and reload of your database. This will change the block size of the DB from 4k to 8k.

Why would you do that? Progress databases on Windows perform best with a
block size of 4K.
To quote the Progress Knowledgebase:

In the vast majority of cases, choose an 8KB-block size on UNIX,
and a 4KB-block size in Windows. Selecting these block sizes conforms
to the operating system block size, which usually yield the best
performance.

and


In Windows, the operating system assumes that files and memory are
handled
in 4KB chunks. This means that all transfers from disk to memory are
4KB in
size. The Windows operating system has been highly optimized for 4KB
and performs
worse at an 8KB setting in the majority of cases.


Converting a Progress database from 32-bit to 64-bit is about the only
architecture
migration that Progress supports without requiring dump & load.

Pim
>
> Are the preformance improvements with 64bit worth the issues with the required 32bit workstation?

Users with Progress databases benefit the most. With 64-bit Progress you
will finally
be able to allocate as much memory as you'd like to database buffers.
With 32-bit Progress
you'd hit the 2GB per-process addressing limit as soon as you would try
to allocatie more
than 1 GB.

SQL Server users don't benefit from this, their data has to go over the
net anyway.

Pim